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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris and gene with a sore throat and

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Chris with a broken tooth we're

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presenting an exciting show for you this

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week but everything has to go uphill

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from there seriously speaking on last

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week's show of course we featured

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Matthew Williams of the crop circle

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artist real fascinating guy and then we

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got a letter from someone who said that

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the fact that he had been involved in

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UFOs and all that stuff should not have

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been sufficient cause for him to lose

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his job I don't know anything about the

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civil service policies in the UK but you

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know I wondered what kind of audience a

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crop circle show again and I have to

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think other than an early episode we did

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with He Who Shall Not Be Named who was a

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follower of the one-armed man crop

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circles has gotten more of a reaction

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Chris why is that well that's a good

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question I'm actually kind of surprised

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that the the amount of repartee that's

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going on at forum dr. Peric ascom we're

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piling up the thread postings pretty

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quickly here my inbox of my my email

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program is just page after page after

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page of Matthew Williams circle maker as

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the header I think a lot of a gene is

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that there are a lot of people that

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really are impressed by the wonderful

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sort of sublime nature of crop circles

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and and there are people that really

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don't want to hear that these are made

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by people and to have somebody come on

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who can demonstrate at least partially

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to my satisfaction that a majority of

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these formations the more complicated

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more beautiful ones for instance are

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man-made this being the case I think

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it's generated a lot of back and forth

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and I've noticed that Matthew himself is

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now getting involved answering questions

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directly there it's great when

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we have our guests jump into the fray

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and get involved and he's being very

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patient and answering questions very

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directly which you know I got to tip my

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hat to him for that

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and if you want to get involved out

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there listeners get online its form the

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parrot cast comm and sign up be looking

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forward to hearing your particular point

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of view on the great guests and and

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interesting shows a week out here at the

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parrot cast I'll tell you the crop

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circle thing is really fascinating in as

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much as except for occasional forays

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into that realm over the years following

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UFOs and such I never paid that much

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attention to crop circles obviously

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there's a lot of pent-up interest in the

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subject remember there is well again I

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think that like anything else we need to

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temper our enthusiasm regardless of

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which side of the you know argument you

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want to fall down on but we need to

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temper our our enthusiasm and and be

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open-minded enough to look at today to

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read the books get ourselves up to speed

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I think some of the repartee that's

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going on right now is very well informed

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it's it's again very controversial just

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like everything else in the paranormal

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but this particular subject I think has

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really brought out quite a bit of

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interest here at the pair cast so I'm

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looking forward to seeing where some of

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these lines of reasoning and arguments

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go because it's been getting a little

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hot and at times and I think it's

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cooling off right now but yeah emotions

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emotionally involved in this subject and

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it's it's not really that surprising

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that the threat is taking off to the

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degree that it has I guess what is good

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is even though it's gotten hot and heavy

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we don't have the personal attacks and

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the way we see it in other forums I know

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sometimes it really gets crazy I know

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when we had the forum that was set up

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because art bell discontinued his Dark

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Matter radio show at Sirius XM satellite

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radio a lot of frayed nerves but you

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know as we've mentioned before the thing

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that bothers us most about it was the

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name issue when

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and I have heard from a reliable source

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that when art Belle chose that name he

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didn't think of the connection with Don

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Ecker but even then something's gotta be

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done it bad this is just what I'm

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hearing we're not here to criticize or

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attack my anyone because I need to see

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once he gets back on on the Internet as

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you know I've heard these playing on

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doing is creating an internet-based show

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be interesting to see if he changes the

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name I think it would be much to his

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advantage to change the name myself

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let's just say that that thought has

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been communicated to his people

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you know everybody who is being in this

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business they have people you know I

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don't have people people want to find me

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they know where to where I am they want

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to find Chris they know where he is but

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some people they have people yeah my

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people do lunch with your people they're

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having lunch together you know they do

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lunch in a restaurant somewhere at a

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subway restaurant because we have a low

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budget you know I just got a discount

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coupon in the mail for Subway

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restaurants so therefore I think of them

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but that's where it goes the other

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interesting thread we have at forum got

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the power cast calm is the wackiest GCN

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commercials now I understand folks that

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GCN has to make a buck and of course

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they sell their services to the

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advertisers who are willing to pains

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really hard to get advertising these

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days let me tell you having been trying

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to sell advertising myself it's not easy

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but what we have here in this thread is

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where people post what they think of the

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craziest products for sale now actually

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if you listen the radio commercials on

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all networks the one underlying theme is

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that you have a problem that will be

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solved by them is the IRS after you do

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you need to cure yourself of some

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disease or prevent yourself from having

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some kind of problem where you go to the

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bathroom too often there's a medicine

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for that and the same thing is true with

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TV it's not just well get this flashy

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new car it's great you know zero down

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sign and drive of course you have to pay

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for the next six years and about three

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percent of those who apply will qualify

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for sign and drive but you know the

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score the point is here that advertising

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has to fill a need and I think with

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radio you have a lot of trying to

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prevent disasters so for example you

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want to avoid a financial meltdown

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comment on the pluses or minuses because

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I have no clue but that's one way deal

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with disasters if the world comes to an

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end get survival seeds so you can plant

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new crops or you get and we had them as

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an advertiser once where they give you

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this collection of freeze-dried food and

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canned food and you stick it in the

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and in case the world ends or there's a

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natural disaster or something you go to

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the closet and you have the food you

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don't have to worry about being safe it

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probably lasts for years that way

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freeze-dried or or canned I think a

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freeze-dried though I think of the

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well and you know somebody once was

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selling astronaut food and making a

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living from it would you like to eat the

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same crap the astronauts yeah and so

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they could just say peanut butter and

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jelly in a tube right do you want peanut

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butter and jelly in a tube or a

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freeze-dried McDonald's hamburger or

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something I'll have to pass on that you

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really would huh no actually it's funny

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they sent me a package of this stuff and

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they don't advertise anymore on the show

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okay so I'm just speaking it tasted

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pretty decent I felt if you know we ever

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had a natural disaster here in Arizona

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you know Neil min the astronaut food

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seeing the Tang commercials tearing the

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drink of the astronauts so I had tang

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you know it was pretty good I like the

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the lemon Tang did I never like tank it

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wasn't tangy enough okay speaking of

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tangy we have a pretty tangy guest today

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oh yeah Richard Dolan of course he wrote

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with Bryce Zabel that book a

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the after disclosure when the government

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finally reveals the truth about alien

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contact I have a speculative book he's

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been doing the UFOs in the national

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security state series he has a new book

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coming out soon called

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UFOs for the 21st century mind how of

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course some listeners think my mind is

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stuck maybe in the 20th century or is

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that the 19th century so this book would

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be way ahead of anything I'd understand

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well learn about that and we'll have

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questions for our listeners of course

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Richard Dolan Richard Dolan coming up

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precious metals privately whether if you

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rejoining us on the para caste with gene

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and Chris Richard welcome back thanks

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and Chris great to be here with both of

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you guys you know before we get started

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with your stuff I was remarking to Chris

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that one of the most popular subjects in

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our forums these days it's crop circles

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of course we had Andrews on recently and

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last week we had Matthew Williams who's

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one of the guys who does crop circles

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right and what's your take on those

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things yeah I think they're a

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fascinating phenomenon and you know

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since Colin Andrews made a statement oh

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god I guess 10 years ago or so that the

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large majority of crop circles that he

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looked into he was convinced were

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man-made he caught a lot of Hell for

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that as I recall in fact so much and in

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Britain that he moved out he's in he it

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states now I think he had enough of the

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British crop circle culture if I gather

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it right no I think crop circles remain

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that there are certain interesting

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things about them that I think are not

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entirely explainable as man-made

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creations it's my own opinion I had a

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nice conversation earlier this year with

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someone I considered to be the top

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American crop circle researcher and

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that's Jeffrey Wilson Jeff lives out in

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I think he's in Ohio

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he's the son by the way of Donald Wilson

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who's deceased but people may remember

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Donald Wilson as the guy who wrote the

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first book on the moon as a real

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anomalous thing Jim Marrs took that

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thesis and kind of ran with it an alien

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agenda but anyway Jeff's his son a very

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sharp guy he's probably close to 40 now

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and the thing I like about Jeff he's

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he's an engineer by training I think he

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has a master's degree and he's extremely

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extremely methodical very scientific

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Oh BS about this man so I was chatting

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with him and he also agrees that he says

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the vast majority these are our man-made

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but he is convinced that a lot of that

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some of them are not and in fact he

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maintains that a larger percentage of

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the American circles are not man-made

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and I said well what's your you know

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what's your reasoning on this and his

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answer is simply that it's it comes down

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to anomalies in the biology of some of

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the stalks that have been analyzed and

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when I press him further as to you know

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what's behind those anomalous creations

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he will not go it to the et direction he

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refuses to do that he refuses even it

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does speculate privately on that so I

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said well what are you talking about

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some kind of Earth vortex earth

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geomagnetism and and I think that's

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sometimes his opinion but he maintains

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that there's a mystery to it I certainly

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respect his his analysis I watched a

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couple of his lectures you just blew my

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mind

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I think it's very easy for us to to go

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to the route that they're all man-made

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when you have a few people very publicly

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you know out there and making these

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claims and no one wants to be taken for

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a rube no one the worst thing in the

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world for anyone is to be seen as being

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dumb and gullible so I think there's

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almost like a lemming effect in the

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field where you know someone puts out a

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supposed answer that's very prosaic and

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then everyone runs away from that topic

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saying oh yeah okay well it that's all

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explained and I'm not really convinced

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that that's the case there is there are

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a number of these that at least remain

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interesting to me so I still think that

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there's a mystery involved there yeah

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you know I couldn't agree more rich and

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I think that there's also a nice kind of

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a correlation between what you just said

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in the unexplained livestock death

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phenomenon oh yeah

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when Kenneth Rommel came out in June of

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1980 and claimed that this was all just

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hogwash

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you had the stampede of lemmings and

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then three years later when Kagan and

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Sommers came out with the book mute

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evidence again you had a stampeding away

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from the the mystery of the phenomena

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yeah I said oh well that's definitive

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end of story nothing to see yeah yeah

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and since then everybody's you know

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anybody that even had a casual interest

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back then it's like oh they explained

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that years ago and it's like I don't

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think so

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the easiest thing for well I don't say

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easy but were the most common things you

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see with very very skeptical arguments

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in any of these mysteries were talking

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about whether to UFOs circles

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mutilations is look I mean we could sit

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down and and cherry-pick our way through

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cases that are really explainable even

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interesting cases that turned out to be

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explainable and then what you find is

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this inference well if this one's

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explainable and that one's explainable

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and this tough one is explainable then

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therefore what are we talking about they

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all must be explainable and and that's

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where the I think the logic fails

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totally agree with that

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so there are some there are some

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formations even you know going back

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particularly to like the late 80s early

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90s where at least some of the ones in

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in Britain you know where they do spring

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up they apparently spring up very

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rapidly sprang up very rapidly a couple

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of them in broad daylight just enormous

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enormous it boggles my mind it we're in

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in 1990 91 92 93 that with this people

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are not having GPS they are gonna make a

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circle that is of the intricacy and and

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grandeur it would be like a team of

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Leonardo da Vinci's or running around

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the fields and no one catches them you

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know they're making these amazing

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amazing formations they don't get caught

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really almost ever I don't know it's

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rather impressive I just don't see all

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of these as being man-made yeah I think

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a lot more work has to be done and I

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think some of the circle makers to have

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to bolster and back up their claims that

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they're you know responsible for many if

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not most of these formations so they

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have their argument I mean the arguments

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that well they don't want to get caught

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they want to pay fines what they're

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doing technically is illegal and so

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there's that reason for being covert

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about it

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but nonetheless nonetheless I just think

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there's too many but in Jeff Jeff

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Wilson's opinion his argument what he

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said to me I'm trying to remember

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exactly something like he feels 95% of

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the UK formations are man-made but about

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only a third to half maybe a little more

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than half might be man-made in America

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he says at least one-third are not

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man-made well and again I mean I don't

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have his data to work with but I can

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tell you the guy is impressive and he's

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not um he's not someone who I think is

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prone to you know over grand statements

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he seems to be pretty methodical about

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what he does so I think that there's

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something there well you know it might

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be something we have to explore still

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further but do you think and we have to

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break in about a minute so let me ask

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you a fast question before you move on

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do you think any of it all any of these

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crop circles at all has any UFO solid

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UFO background maybe yeah I mean I think

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some probably do there there was that

514
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big controversy of 20 years ago about

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the so-called video of this object is it

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being around the field creating a circle

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and someone said it was fake and then

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more recently again this is off the top

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of my head but I seem to recall an

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counter-argument more recently saying

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though that it is not necessarily fake

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but even beyond that you get a lot of

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bizarre almost high strangeness

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associated with the circles just like

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you get high strangeness associated with

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a number of UFO reports so I certainly

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would not rule this out Oh a lot more to

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go and we'll have a lot more on crop

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circles but not on this episode we're

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gonna move on we've got Richard Dolan

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he's done another a fascinating book so

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many fascinating topics to talk about we

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also have questions from our cast

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listeners at forum dot to the power cast

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work out at the gym for another hour and

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a half I just couldn't believe these

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results my normal muscle tightness and

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of information and you are listening to

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the podcast with gene and Chris we have

646
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Richard Dolan joining us this week and

647
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it's been a little while since he's

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being on the para cast so I wanted to

649
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bring people up to date especially

650
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because we have a lot of new listeners

651
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some new stations have added the power

652
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cast and don't know about Richard Dolan

653
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:28,410
then he tends to focus or he is focused

654
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in the past on the historical aspects of

655
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UFOs in relationship to the so called

656
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national security state Richard what

657
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:39,570
attracted you to go look into that area

658
00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:42,090
and how has it become more relevant now

659
00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:44,580
that we know the NSA is really snooping

660
00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:47,640
on us yeah well UFOs are one of these

661
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,180
topics where once you dive in you find

662
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:54,480
that it really is a reality Shatterer

663
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and almost any way you look at it

664
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whether it's a science you know which

665
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:02,010
and in every ways is a real challenge

666
00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:05,250
for us to understand but it's always

667
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:07,820
been the politics that has driven me

668
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:10,260
even as a very young person long before

669
00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:11,610
I was interested in UFOs I've always

670
00:28:15,650 --> 00:28:14,160
been interested in politics and that's

671
00:28:18,550 --> 00:28:15,660
really how I got into this field and

672
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it's really it's it's still my most

673
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,010
engaging focus although not solely I got

674
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:25,440
into the UFO field it's been about 20

675
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:27,930
years now and as I've said a number of

676
00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:29,370
times and interviews I basically feel

677
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:32,040
like I fell into UFOs in the early 90s I

678
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:35,460
was doing dissertation research on Harry

679
00:28:41,530 --> 00:28:37,950
Truman and the Cold War the early late

680
00:28:44,150 --> 00:28:41,540
40s early 50s nothing with UFOs but I

681
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:44,160
stumbled into the topic in fact one of

682
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the real triggers was seeing a copy of

683
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Timothy goods above top-secret sitting

684
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in a display in a bookstore and it was

685
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the subtitle of that book that always

686
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always intrigued me which was the

687
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worldwide UFO cover-up and I thought wow

688
00:29:02,780 --> 00:29:00,300
for real let's take a look as many

689
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:02,790
listeners may be familiar with Tim good

690
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:05,670
know it's a fine book he did his best to

691
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:07,260
put together documentary evidence

692
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,690
showing that this is a real thing that

693
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:11,700
real political high-level national

694
00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:12,809
security people around the world have

695
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:15,470
taken it seriously I was intrigued and

696
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:18,809
immediately this idea of what I since

697
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,419
called cultural schizophrenia so really

698
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:23,039
hit home with me in the sense that we

699
00:29:29,180 --> 00:29:27,330
have two versions of truth what I often

700
00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:29,190
often call official truth that is the

701
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truth you're supposed to believe and an

702
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unofficial truth which is the stuff that

703
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,460
people actually believe I think you find

704
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:36,960
variations of this around the world it's

705
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always symptomatic of some level of

706
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:40,500
political repression now when you have

707
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:42,690
these two versions of truth and I

708
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thought you know in the official version

709
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:46,259
of truth UFOs are fairy tale stuff they

710
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:48,450
don't exist it's not for serious minds

711
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:50,490
and then what you find when you dig a

712
00:29:53,509 --> 00:29:51,779
little bit deeper and then a little

713
00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:53,519
deeper is you find actually very

714
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,929
brilliant and well plugged in

715
00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:57,120
well-connected high-level national

716
00:30:00,980 --> 00:29:59,100
security people guess what they have

717
00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:00,990
been taking it seriously so I thought

718
00:30:04,940 --> 00:30:03,269
well what what's the reason for this

719
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:04,950
disconnect there's obviously something

720
00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:07,620
there and it's that's been the the main

721
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:09,870
focus that I've had the main driving

722
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:12,690
interest that's kept me going all these

723
00:30:18,019 --> 00:30:15,330
years and I think it's more relevant now

724
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:18,029
than ever I I think it's impossible and

725
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,100
or at least very superficial for someone

726
00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:21,840
to study UFOs independently of the

727
00:30:26,779 --> 00:30:25,230
politics you can do it you could spend

728
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:26,789
your whole life focusing on whether it's

729
00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:29,370
abductions or whether it's on analyzing

730
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:32,070
sightings and studying propulsion but to

731
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:34,529
me without looking at the politics we're

732
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:36,840
really missing a huge part of what makes

733
00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:39,899
this topic so important I I maintain

734
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:43,500
that the origins of UFO secrecy have

735
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:46,679
played an enormous role and the creation

736
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:48,330
of what we might call a black budget

737
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:49,860
culture here in the United States and

738
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,110
now worldwide and that in other words it

739
00:30:56,869 --> 00:30:54,960
was essential from the 1940s onward for

740
00:31:00,200 --> 00:30:56,879
this topic to become absolutely

741
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:00,210
positively below the surface secret from

742
00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:04,110
the public and that was one of I think

743
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:06,870
several but a key creation of the kind

744
00:31:11,299 --> 00:31:09,210
of black budget security structure

745
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:11,309
that's now really has taken over what

746
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:13,590
used to be the American Republic come

747
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:15,570
like an alien creature coming out of the

748
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:17,730
corpse of a dead body and that is the

749
00:31:22,999 --> 00:31:20,580
national security state and much of that

750
00:31:23,539 --> 00:31:23,009
has to do with UFO secrecy alright so

751
00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:23,549
your

752
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:25,950
positing here possibly a nother

753
00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:28,230
government a secret government that

754
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:30,659
maybe is not answerable to anyone is

755
00:31:37,580 --> 00:31:33,059
that equivalent to what Donald Rumsfeld

756
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:37,590
was talking about back before 2001 9/11

757
00:31:45,499 --> 00:31:40,980
about trillions of dollars vanishing

758
00:31:47,299 --> 00:31:45,509
sort of Rumsfeld Rumsfeld statement just

759
00:31:49,639 --> 00:31:47,309
prior to 9/11 he made a couple of his

760
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:49,649
statements actually one in July before

761
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Congress and then one on September 10th

762
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:56,850
more publicly about 2.6 and then 2.3

763
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,820
trillion dollars that was unaccounted

764
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:01,679
for unaccountable I think unaccounted

765
00:32:05,060 --> 00:32:03,480
for transactions I think he said you

766
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:05,070
know we have to remember when he made

767
00:32:08,629 --> 00:32:06,779
that statement this is a no one the Bush

768
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:08,639
administration was brand-new sofa

769
00:32:12,639 --> 00:32:10,529
Rumsfeld basically that was an implicit

770
00:32:14,779 --> 00:32:12,649
criticism of the Clinton administration

771
00:32:17,389 --> 00:32:14,789
essentially saying he'd inherited this

772
00:32:19,369 --> 00:32:17,399
mess in the Pentagon but of course this

773
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:19,379
is because this is standard business

774
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:22,730
before and since Rumsfeld's time where

775
00:32:30,349 --> 00:32:26,369
what we have is lots and lots and lots

776
00:32:34,249 --> 00:32:30,359
of money flowing through federal state

777
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:34,259
local channels that who knows where some

778
00:32:37,009 --> 00:32:35,340
of this stuff goes and then

779
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:37,019
internationally there's a big black hole

780
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:38,460
in the center of our financial system

781
00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:41,940
lots of missing money oh by the way just

782
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:44,070
as an addendum to that statement in the

783
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:46,679
aftermath of them then after 9/11 there

784
00:32:51,499 --> 00:32:48,450
was a branch in the US government that

785
00:32:53,869 --> 00:32:51,509
was supposedly charged with analyzing

786
00:32:55,489 --> 00:32:53,879
that money where did it go the guy in

787
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:55,499
charge of it I think was named Doug dove

788
00:33:01,549 --> 00:32:59,580
Zach Haim and he's one of the top neocon

789
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:01,559
players and you know these people never

790
00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:04,440
seem to go away and and supposedly what

791
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:06,059
he said you could find us I think on his

792
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:08,970
wiki page that they got they resolved a

793
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:10,440
transaction this if you want to believe

794
00:33:15,769 --> 00:33:12,840
that and got the number eventually down

795
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:15,779
to zero and if you want to believe that

796
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:17,700
I could try to sell you some real estate

797
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,580
in various places around the world

798
00:33:25,609 --> 00:33:22,559
I understand that bridge in Brooklyn is

799
00:33:28,489 --> 00:33:25,619
for sale comprising okay so the key is

800
00:33:31,099 --> 00:33:28,499
here is if they resolve the transactions

801
00:33:32,629 --> 00:33:31,109
what was the end result well they say

802
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:32,639
they did I mean I guarantee you some

803
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:35,460
top-level million dollars I want that

804
00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:36,530
number down to zero

805
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:40,040
work exactly the dod particularly it is

806
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:42,530
literally impossible to audit but United

807
00:33:47,260 --> 00:33:44,450
States Defense Department you God could

808
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:47,270
not audit the DoD you would fail it's

809
00:33:54,370 --> 00:33:49,910
and it's by design you just can't the

810
00:33:58,420 --> 00:33:54,380
the transactions are too opaque very

811
00:34:00,880 --> 00:33:58,430
vastly beyond what any accountant could

812
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:00,890
handle and so yeah what I would say is

813
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:01,970
that there's been a government that's

814
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,270
grown out of the government and one

815
00:34:11,830 --> 00:34:06,640
thing that we have to do in our

816
00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:11,840
political kind of education is to get a

817
00:34:17,409 --> 00:34:14,270
handle of exactly what kind of system we

818
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:17,419
have we all grow up with this idea that

819
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America is a democratic type of Republic

820
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we elect our officials we don't like

821
00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:23,720
them we've throw the bums out and all

822
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:25,190
that but that's really not our system

823
00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:27,770
that's not what we have and this is

824
00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:30,080
relevant for the UFO phenomenon because

825
00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:32,300
think about it go back through UFOs to

826
00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:34,360
history go back to the 1950s and 60s

827
00:34:41,139 --> 00:34:38,390
when the leading civilian organization

828
00:34:42,970 --> 00:34:41,149
for UFOs it's called a nightcap back in

829
00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:42,980
those days what was there a big issue

830
00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:44,980
they try to get open congressional

831
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:49,250
hearings on UFOs with on the assumption

832
00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:51,770
that logical assumption really that

833
00:34:58,330 --> 00:34:55,880
Congress is the appropriate voice of the

834
00:34:59,830 --> 00:34:58,340
American people and that it's through

835
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,840
Congress that we want to get forward

836
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:02,000
motion and resolve any kind of secrecy

837
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:05,690
issues and and of course that that never

838
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:07,370
they never succeeded in that

839
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:10,310
well that wasn't hearings I think Gerald

840
00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:12,710
Ford was partly responsible for the

841
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:15,470
hearings that resulted in the Condon

842
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:17,000
committee which ended up being

843
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,310
essentially a whitewash and that kind of

844
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:21,920
killed nycap yeah well there was an

845
00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:24,170
there hearing in 1966 for one day I

846
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:27,320
called the O'Brien hearings that was

847
00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:30,380
pretty inconsequential and then you had

848
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:33,080
hearings in 1968 and then you had the

849
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:36,800
so-called Condon committee report yeah

850
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:39,370
these are all whitewashes by and large

851
00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:44,000
but what what's happened is that even

852
00:35:48,130 --> 00:35:45,740
during that time and certainly since

853
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:48,140
that time we've developed

854
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:50,630
a different kind of a different kind of

855
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:52,970
a system and it's hard to put your

856
00:35:57,690 --> 00:35:55,250
finger on it because it's international

857
00:35:59,890 --> 00:35:57,700
it's not it's not really the

858
00:36:01,330 --> 00:35:59,900
old-fashioned American Republic I mean

859
00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:01,340
we're in a completely integrated world

860
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,520
and when we talk about the president I

861
00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:06,800
think people implicitly realize that

862
00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:08,660
presidents aren't elected so much as

863
00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:10,760
selected and so who's doing the

864
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selecting and you know we're getting

865
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into financial entities that are global

866
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,150
they're not national and look if you've

867
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got billions and billions and even

868
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trillions of dollars to play play with

869
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you're not going to let something as

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important as a US government go to some

871
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random vote of the people you're going

872
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to control that entity you're gonna

873
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control its military you'd be an idiot

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well and we have to think what kind of

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power does a president even have anymore

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call it robbery

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we call it avoidable we are fake TV a

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easily plugs into any outlet and

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simulates the changing colors of a

928
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:28,820
television - a burglar it looks like

929
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someone must be home watching TV so

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they'll likely move on to an easier

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began to do a lot of research into why

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even and I had a pretty good-sized meal

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that was still starving and my research

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led me to a well-known fact that most of

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the soils that we grow our crops on here

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in the United States and across the

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industrialized world are almost

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completely depleted of almost all of the

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967
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:15,730
with gene and Chris we're talking about

968
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:18,490
the national security state with Richard

969
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:18,970
Dolan

970
00:41:23,279 --> 00:41:21,609
Sir Richard so the corporation sponsor

971
00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:23,289
the president we have the citizens

972
00:41:29,099 --> 00:41:25,960
united decision by the supreme court

973
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that opens up the spigots for campaign

974
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:31,710
money from anyone from any organization

975
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,450
billionaire is putting money in there as

976
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:36,400
the president even have any power

977
00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:38,890
anymore to do anything president is a

978
00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:40,630
sales rep that's really what the US

979
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:42,220
president is he gotta sell you two

980
00:41:44,249 --> 00:41:42,730
things

981
00:41:46,529 --> 00:41:44,259
they're both bitter pills by the way

982
00:41:49,769 --> 00:41:46,539
first bitter pill is he's got to sell

983
00:41:52,499 --> 00:41:49,779
you globalization and all of its sordid

984
00:41:53,729 --> 00:41:52,509
glory that's he's got to push that and

985
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:53,739
then the only thing he's gonna sell is

986
00:41:58,410 --> 00:41:55,930
whatever new war comes down the pike and

987
00:41:59,489 --> 00:41:58,420
that's got to be sold and if he does

988
00:42:02,039 --> 00:41:59,499
that he's doing his job

989
00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:02,049
he you know beyond that he's got to kiss

990
00:42:04,829 --> 00:42:03,369
the babies he's got to shake the hands

991
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:04,839
of the people you got to put himself out

992
00:42:11,279 --> 00:42:09,609
there he's the face and voice of our

993
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:11,289
rulers so how else do you want to put it

994
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:14,470
he's that's what his job is I also have

995
00:42:19,859 --> 00:42:17,049
to with all the political controversies

996
00:42:22,049 --> 00:42:19,869
Democrats Republicans it's just theater

997
00:42:24,479 --> 00:42:22,059
like the world wide wrestling federation

998
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:24,489
or whatever you have the hero and the

999
00:42:28,289 --> 00:42:26,710
villain he said exactly right there's

1000
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:28,299
that there's a YouTube video of Jesse

1001
00:42:32,190 --> 00:42:30,970
Ventura and I can't remember the name of

1002
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:32,200
it but he's hanging out with Willie

1003
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:34,380
Nelson this is like a private sort of

1004
00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:36,700
chilling video you know Jesse's chilling

1005
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:39,640
with Willie and someone had their their

1006
00:42:42,989 --> 00:42:41,230
little phone video out and they're

1007
00:42:44,249 --> 00:42:42,999
recording Jesse he's just doing his this

1008
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:44,259
thing he's talking about the world is

1009
00:42:48,569 --> 00:42:46,390
doing his rant and he said something

1010
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:48,579
absolutely spot-on

1011
00:42:55,019 --> 00:42:52,720
he said politics is exactly the same as

1012
00:42:55,780 --> 00:42:55,029
championship wrestling because you know

1013
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:55,790
he was a wrestler

1014
00:42:59,650 --> 00:42:57,710
and he said you know we would get on TV

1015
00:43:02,200 --> 00:42:59,660
and we'd get in each other's face like

1016
00:43:04,510 --> 00:43:02,210
you're going down you're going into a

1017
00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:04,520
world of hurt I'm gonna kill you and he

1018
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:06,020
said in reality we were each other's

1019
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:07,010
buddies we'd go to each other's

1020
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:08,420
barbecues we were the best man at each

1021
00:43:11,859 --> 00:43:09,670
other's weddings and Godfather's

1022
00:43:13,570 --> 00:43:11,869
children it was all a big game and he

1023
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:13,580
said this is exactly what politics is

1024
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:16,970
it's the same thing look at Henry

1025
00:43:21,130 --> 00:43:18,710
Kissinger and zbigniew brzezinski

1026
00:43:22,810 --> 00:43:21,140
all right one for years and years and

1027
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:22,820
generations and centuries was the

1028
00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:24,890
manager of Republican Party national

1029
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,990
security and the other is the manager of

1030
00:43:31,390 --> 00:43:29,359
Democrat policy for national security

1031
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:31,400
and who are they both the same guy

1032
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:33,710
they're both protegees of David

1033
00:43:38,260 --> 00:43:35,570
Rockefeller they're both in the exact

1034
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,270
same little Club there's not one iota of

1035
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:40,160
difference in their national security

1036
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,020
direction and yet each really has been

1037
00:43:46,510 --> 00:43:44,240
the dough and the godfather of each of

1038
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:46,520
those parties now they're both very old

1039
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:48,890
and obviously successors will take over

1040
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,690
but it's the same thing you know when

1041
00:43:55,330 --> 00:43:52,880
you get down to the major issues there

1042
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,340
are no that really are no significant

1043
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,480
differences and the reason this is

1044
00:44:00,160 --> 00:43:57,760
important by the way for the UFO

1045
00:44:02,290 --> 00:44:00,170
phenomena this is why I wanted to bring

1046
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:02,300
this up is because when you when you're

1047
00:44:07,570 --> 00:44:05,720
getting into understanding UFO secrecy

1048
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:07,580
when you're trying to right the wrong

1049
00:44:12,070 --> 00:44:10,070
this great disconnect of this most

1050
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:12,080
incredible mystery that's affecting

1051
00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:13,970
millions of people who deal with it

1052
00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:16,220
silently who deal with it an atomized

1053
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:18,920
way without public engagement really you

1054
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:21,710
think well our government is the proper

1055
00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:25,520
tool for us to correct this right but

1056
00:44:29,830 --> 00:44:27,980
that only works if you go on the

1057
00:44:31,660 --> 00:44:29,840
predicate that our government is one

1058
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:31,670
that is responsive to people it's a

1059
00:44:35,859 --> 00:44:33,590
democratic government what if you're in

1060
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:35,869
a fascist society and you've got this

1061
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:37,160
phenomenon how do you deal with it then

1062
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:39,290
I don't know how we really wanted to

1063
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:41,450
find fascism today as opposed to the

1064
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:44,330
1930s but whatever we have developed

1065
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:45,890
today in the United States it's not

1066
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,050
freedom it's not democracy it's

1067
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:50,720
something very very different so it does

1068
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:54,160
matter what your political system is

1069
00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:56,450
when you're dealing with this phenomenon

1070
00:45:00,099 --> 00:44:57,710
if you're gonna try to make forward

1071
00:45:02,740 --> 00:45:00,109
change and try to right that wrong of

1072
00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:02,750
secrecy well those have to wonder here

1073
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:05,900
if you do have this other government the

1074
00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:08,300
secret government managing the UFO

1075
00:45:12,910 --> 00:45:09,349
secret whatever

1076
00:45:16,029 --> 00:45:12,920
maybe what are they doing in public to

1077
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:16,039
misdirect us maybe a lot of what we see

1078
00:45:22,059 --> 00:45:18,470
in terms of UFOs and that could include

1079
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,069
abductions is misdirection my control

1080
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,640
etc absolutely what's not hidden is

1081
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,720
hidden in plain sight through

1082
00:45:30,940 --> 00:45:29,599
obfuscation through just outright

1083
00:45:33,849 --> 00:45:30,950
denials and lies and then through

1084
00:45:35,859 --> 00:45:33,859
distraction distraction and spin all of

1085
00:45:38,410 --> 00:45:35,869
these are really key I mean we live in a

1086
00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:38,420
society where think about this I for

1087
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:40,700
myself and also for you guys I study

1088
00:45:45,339 --> 00:45:42,650
this topic every single day I think

1089
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:45,349
about the UFO phenomenon every single

1090
00:45:51,219 --> 00:45:48,380
day and I have a very good education to

1091
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:51,229
do it I'm lucky I'm kind of fanatically

1092
00:45:56,049 --> 00:45:53,569
dedicated and determined so I'm I mean

1093
00:45:58,779 --> 00:45:56,059
as far as anyone that I know personally

1094
00:46:01,989 --> 00:45:58,789
I'm one of the I'm in one of the best

1095
00:46:03,489 --> 00:46:01,999
positions to try to do my best to figure

1096
00:46:06,789 --> 00:46:03,499
this out and make some progress and it's

1097
00:46:08,979 --> 00:46:06,799
hard for me it's very hard for me I'm

1098
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:08,989
sure it's hard for you guys so think

1099
00:46:14,229 --> 00:46:12,170
about for 99 plus percent of the rest of

1100
00:46:16,209 --> 00:46:14,239
the people who don't really have all

1101
00:46:18,579 --> 00:46:16,219
that education who don't have the desire

1102
00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:18,589
who don't really want to fight the

1103
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:21,950
Machine the way I do who they just they

1104
00:46:25,089 --> 00:46:23,690
want to live their lives they got their

1105
00:46:26,799 --> 00:46:25,099
jobs they got their family they got

1106
00:46:28,539 --> 00:46:26,809
their kids I got and then they come home

1107
00:46:29,709 --> 00:46:28,549
from work and they put some TV on and

1108
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:29,719
they veg out a little bit and have a

1109
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:32,200
beer there's no opportunity

1110
00:46:37,930 --> 00:46:34,460
realistically for most of these people

1111
00:46:40,209 --> 00:46:37,940
ever ever to get past the fog of

1112
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,219
disinformation and distraction so that

1113
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:42,880
they can actually focus on this

1114
00:46:47,789 --> 00:46:44,930
incredible topic I think it's the most

1115
00:46:49,690 --> 00:46:47,799
fascinating mystery of our time

1116
00:46:51,819 --> 00:46:49,700
basically the answer is they won't do it

1117
00:46:54,489 --> 00:46:51,829
yeah so you've got a very yeah you got a

1118
00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:54,499
very small number of people who have the

1119
00:46:58,509 --> 00:46:56,420
resources and the time and the desire to

1120
00:47:00,099 --> 00:46:58,519
do this and what happens is a lot of

1121
00:47:02,890 --> 00:47:00,109
people who get very heavily involved

1122
00:47:05,709 --> 00:47:02,900
maybe they only have average resources

1123
00:47:08,229 --> 00:47:05,719
so their job goes by the wayside and

1124
00:47:10,209 --> 00:47:08,239
they almost can literally starve to

1125
00:47:13,269 --> 00:47:10,219
death I mean there are some famous

1126
00:47:17,319 --> 00:47:13,279
people in the UFO field who died in

1127
00:47:20,259 --> 00:47:17,329
poverty and I never just wheel a Richard

1128
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:20,269
Hall John keel right I myself listen

1129
00:47:25,390 --> 00:47:22,730
I'll just tell you I have struggled for

1130
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:25,400
the last 15 plus years I've made a

1131
00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:26,870
conscious sacrifice I could have gone

1132
00:47:29,830 --> 00:47:28,190
off and made good money and doing some

1133
00:47:31,930 --> 00:47:29,840
kind of corporate job sell myself to

1134
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:31,940
Xerox or whatever I actually thought

1135
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:33,890
about this 20 years ago at the beginning

1136
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:36,650
of my um my transformation out of

1137
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,990
academia I thought well cuz I'd grown up

1138
00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:40,400
thinking well I'm gonna be a professor

1139
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:41,630
I'll teach history at some nice

1140
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:43,310
university and then I decided no it's

1141
00:47:47,830 --> 00:47:44,810
not gonna happen and it was a hard

1142
00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:47,840
moment in my life I'll tell you and for

1143
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:50,900
about five minutes I thought do I want

1144
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,450
to go to Xerox Xerox is big in Rochester

1145
00:47:58,620 --> 00:47:55,760
here where I live and then the thought

1146
00:48:01,390 --> 00:47:58,630
was I'd rather slit my wrists and gorge

1147
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:01,400
I couldn't I couldn't do I really I

1148
00:48:07,450 --> 00:48:05,510
literally am incapable of that kind of

1149
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:07,460
life so what I did is I've thrown myself

1150
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:09,830
into this and struggled I won't lie to

1151
00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:11,810
you it's it's very hard I'm trying to

1152
00:48:16,780 --> 00:48:14,390
figure out a way now to make at least

1153
00:48:20,350 --> 00:48:16,790
enough of a living so that I can do this

1154
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:20,360
full-time and devote myself to it and I

1155
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:21,950
start I got a couple of kids to support

1156
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:24,410
I've got I have a life here and it's not

1157
00:48:29,530 --> 00:48:27,200
easy but I am throwing my life onto the

1158
00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:29,540
altar of this topic and that's just how

1159
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:33,260
it is all right we penetrate the

1160
00:48:38,010 --> 00:48:35,290
government secrecy the secret government

1161
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:38,020
what do you think sits there is it just

1162
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:41,270
UFOs or spaceships they know the secret

1163
00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:43,640
they're exploiting it whatever I think

1164
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:46,190
that there are intelligences I've taken

1165
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:48,110
to calling them others are they

1166
00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:49,970
extraterrestrial I think that I'd see no

1167
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:51,350
reason why they cannot be

1168
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:53,510
extraterrestrial I think that there's

1169
00:48:58,450 --> 00:48:56,090
very good reason to consider that quite

1170
00:49:00,040 --> 00:48:58,460
seriously even now and I think ET

1171
00:49:02,250 --> 00:49:00,050
hypothesis sometimes goes out of favor

1172
00:49:04,570 --> 00:49:02,260
but not with me I think that there's

1173
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:04,580
absolutely a reason why they can be from

1174
00:49:09,940 --> 00:49:06,890
another planet there may be more

1175
00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:09,950
interesting and scientifically out there

1176
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:12,500
solutions to this but look I think when

1177
00:49:19,690 --> 00:49:16,400
you go through long history of leaks and

1178
00:49:22,180 --> 00:49:19,700
particularly of alleged I think probable

1179
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,190
crash retrievals I happen to think that

1180
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:24,800
some of these are legit but that tells

1181
00:49:29,830 --> 00:49:27,650
me that someone has got some hardware

1182
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:29,840
that did not originate from this

1183
00:49:36,620 --> 00:49:33,080
civilization let me interrupt Richard

1184
00:49:39,229 --> 00:49:36,630
why not assume that just as possible

1185
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:39,239
test aircraft of some sort well if

1186
00:49:43,339 --> 00:49:41,099
they're test aircraft and they're not

1187
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:43,349
simply decades but generations and maybe

1188
00:49:48,979 --> 00:49:45,390
centuries or more beyond what we've had

1189
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:48,989
at least judging by when you go through

1190
00:49:56,659 --> 00:49:53,640
all of what I think is the compelling

1191
00:49:59,269 --> 00:49:56,669
eyewitness testimony of people who have

1192
00:50:02,689 --> 00:49:59,279
been associated with retrievals you come

1193
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:02,699
again and again and again to stories of

1194
00:50:07,459 --> 00:50:04,650
non-human bodies that have been

1195
00:50:09,439 --> 00:50:07,469
associated with those retrievals so from

1196
00:50:11,539 --> 00:50:09,449
my money I think that that's that's a

1197
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:11,549
key part of this and the only other

1198
00:50:15,499 --> 00:50:13,049
thing that I will just say is on a very

1199
00:50:16,939 --> 00:50:15,509
quiet private basis and I've mentioned

1200
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:16,949
this a few times and it's so frustrating

1201
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:19,140
to me that I can't mention every single

1202
00:50:22,429 --> 00:50:20,729
name that I've talked with but one of

1203
00:50:24,439 --> 00:50:22,439
them is Edgar Mitchell Apollo 14

1204
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:24,449
astronaut and I spoken with Edgar

1205
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:26,819
Mitchell privately about this and he has

1206
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:29,640
he used to speak publicly about this he

1207
00:50:35,299 --> 00:50:32,729
doesn't anymore about his conversations

1208
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:35,309
he told me with two ultra high-level

1209
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:37,380
ultra high-level national security

1210
00:50:40,789 --> 00:50:39,569
people and look when you're moonwalking

1211
00:50:42,829 --> 00:50:40,799
astronaut who's not gonna want to be

1212
00:50:45,259 --> 00:50:42,839
your buddy so he can basically talk to

1213
00:50:48,409 --> 00:50:45,269
pretty much anyone who told him

1214
00:50:50,209 --> 00:50:48,419
explicitly he said of deeply secret

1215
00:50:52,419 --> 00:50:50,219
clandestine compartment at programs that

1216
00:50:55,969 --> 00:50:52,429
are charged with holding and studying

1217
00:50:57,409 --> 00:50:55,979
alien technology and bodies and that

1218
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:57,419
doesn't mean simply because Edgar

1219
00:51:01,399 --> 00:50:58,859
Mitchell says it that it's gospel but

1220
00:51:03,229 --> 00:51:01,409
look he's was in his right mind he

1221
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,239
wasn't he went and lost it

1222
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:05,880
I believe him I think it's true and I

1223
00:51:11,269 --> 00:51:08,089
I've had similar conversations with a

1224
00:51:12,409 --> 00:51:11,279
handful of other well-placed individuals

1225
00:51:14,779 --> 00:51:12,419
that have given me reason to think this

1226
00:51:16,759 --> 00:51:14,789
is true so if you've got exotic

1227
00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:16,769
technology not from here if you've got

1228
00:51:20,659 --> 00:51:18,839
bodies that are clearly not human then

1229
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,669
what are we dealing with we're dealing

1230
00:51:24,709 --> 00:51:22,319
with something that's not us that's from

1231
00:51:27,769 --> 00:51:24,719
some other place or some other dimension

1232
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:27,779
or whatever we're continuing this week

1233
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:30,329
on the show with Richard Dolan joining

1234
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:38,190
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1235
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1251
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1252
00:52:23,110 --> 00:52:21,080
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1253
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1254
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1255
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1276
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1277
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:12,369
here's Jane Steinberg with Jeana and

1278
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:14,650
Chris on the para cast we're talking

1279
00:54:19,529 --> 00:54:17,650
about UFOs in the national security

1280
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:19,539
state what's really going on behind the

1281
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:22,000
scenes is there a secret government is

1282
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:25,180
the president just a well-placed puppet

1283
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:27,369
are all the political disputes

1284
00:54:32,370 --> 00:54:29,500
Republicans Democrats the middle the

1285
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,380
extremes just theater Chris you had a

1286
00:54:36,809 --> 00:54:34,480
question of Richard Dolan you know I did

1287
00:54:38,759 --> 00:54:36,819
and this goes back to you know the

1288
00:54:40,769 --> 00:54:38,769
previous segment when we were discussing

1289
00:54:44,009 --> 00:54:40,779
that ger Mitchell and him confiding in

1290
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,019
you and one story that I heard and it

1291
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,000
just popped back into my mind here

1292
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:48,400
listening to you was something about a

1293
00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:51,490
big glass sphere that he saw on the moon

1294
00:54:55,859 --> 00:54:53,380
and in all references to that have been

1295
00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:55,869
excised do you know if they brought that

1296
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,089
back or has he ever mentioned that to

1297
00:55:02,509 --> 00:55:00,400
you he never spoke to me about that no I

1298
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:02,519
don't really know what to say about that

1299
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:07,480
familiar with the I think there was some

1300
00:55:12,059 --> 00:55:09,490
NASA radio chatter or something that

1301
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:12,069
mentioned it when they were there when

1302
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:13,720
they first arrived if I remember

1303
00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:16,089
correctly and and then all references to

1304
00:55:21,749 --> 00:55:18,700
this obvious obviously manufactured

1305
00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:21,759
object if it's real all references have

1306
00:55:26,009 --> 00:55:24,039
been excised I did come across this in

1307
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:26,019
passing I really I feel like I should

1308
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:28,450
dive into that a little more in some

1309
00:55:32,670 --> 00:55:30,130
detail and find the exact source of it

1310
00:55:36,539 --> 00:55:32,680
it's intriguing I will add I think that

1311
00:55:39,299 --> 00:55:36,549
there are some stories that I tend to

1312
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:39,309
credit about the moan about anomalies on

1313
00:55:43,259 --> 00:55:41,650
the moon I'll tell you one that just

1314
00:55:45,269 --> 00:55:43,269
came to me personally

1315
00:55:47,759 --> 00:55:45,279
again this is something I mentioned once

1316
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:47,769
or twice before this is a conversation I

1317
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:49,210
had a number of years ago with Russell

1318
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:51,880
Targ who many will know is one of the

1319
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:55,480
top chief scientists involved in remote

1320
00:55:59,519 --> 00:55:57,250
viewing first Stanford Research

1321
00:56:01,620 --> 00:55:59,529
Institute back in the 70s and 80s Joe

1322
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:01,630
Sena's guest on the show yeah so here's

1323
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:04,150
one thing Russell talk told me I don't

1324
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:05,410
know if he's mentioned as publicly I've

1325
00:56:09,089 --> 00:56:07,390
mentioned it publicly a few times he had

1326
00:56:09,329 --> 00:56:09,099
a long conversation with him on one in

1327
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:09,339
case

1328
00:56:16,499 --> 00:56:13,599
and he said to me Richard back I think

1329
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:16,509
he said in the early mid 80s he said I

1330
00:56:23,609 --> 00:56:19,930
was charged for a while to Train remote

1331
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:23,619
viewers at Fort Meade Maryland whose job

1332
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:26,410
was to remote view the far side of the

1333
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:28,660
Moon and then there was a long pause and

1334
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:32,710
I very innocently put out well why why

1335
00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:35,710
would they do that Russell he said why

1336
00:56:39,269 --> 00:56:36,460
do you think

1337
00:56:41,099 --> 00:56:39,279
and there's another pause and I said oh

1338
00:56:46,289 --> 00:56:41,109
I don't know were they looking for et

1339
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:46,299
and he said yes they were looking for et

1340
00:56:50,819 --> 00:56:48,190
I mean that's exactly what he said to me

1341
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:50,829
and I said I asked him well did they

1342
00:56:57,059 --> 00:56:53,529
find Ichi and he said well I I don't

1343
00:56:59,969 --> 00:56:57,069
know that wasn't part of my job whether

1344
00:57:02,219 --> 00:56:59,979
he knew or not I don't know but I mean

1345
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:02,229
think about this so you've got you have

1346
00:57:05,999 --> 00:57:03,849
a guide training remote viewers ahead of

1347
00:57:07,469 --> 00:57:06,009
Fort Meade to look for et on the

1348
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:07,479
backside of it then I gotta look for et

1349
00:57:10,289 --> 00:57:08,529
on the far side of Moon if they don't

1350
00:57:13,229 --> 00:57:10,299
have some reason to think that there's

1351
00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:13,239
something there there's another story

1352
00:57:17,219 --> 00:57:15,369
this was actually in Tim goods above top

1353
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:17,229
secret and and this is something I spoke

1354
00:57:21,809 --> 00:57:19,690
to Tim about personally and this is a

1355
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:21,819
story about Neil Armstrong a lot of

1356
00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:23,650
people have heard this Tim good had a

1357
00:57:27,690 --> 00:57:25,630
very close friend a person who I think

1358
00:57:30,539 --> 00:57:27,700
has since deceased a very close friend

1359
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,549
of Timothy's who he trusted implicitly

1360
00:57:35,219 --> 00:57:32,880
he said and this woman was at a

1361
00:57:37,289 --> 00:57:35,229
gathering like a kind of a function

1362
00:57:39,539 --> 00:57:37,299
where Neil Armstrong was present I mean

1363
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,549
think about Neil Armstrong first man on

1364
00:57:43,950 --> 00:57:41,680
the moon and becomes a hermit for the

1365
00:57:45,209 --> 00:57:43,960
rest of his life most famous man in the

1366
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:45,219
world when he does what he does and then

1367
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:47,529
he comes back and goodbye neil armstrong

1368
00:57:51,329 --> 00:57:49,569
it's like you know well it's not quite

1369
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:51,339
the first thing he did was he went down

1370
00:57:57,269 --> 00:57:53,410
to South America went spelunking looking

1371
00:58:01,200 --> 00:57:57,279
for a Telus gold I think well okay and

1372
00:58:03,319 --> 00:58:01,210
after that nothing but she was at a

1373
00:58:05,849 --> 00:58:03,329
function where he was and and

1374
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,859
eavesdropped so she's standing like 10

1375
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:07,839
feet away apparently and according to

1376
00:58:11,729 --> 00:58:09,249
what she told Tim good and he wrote

1377
00:58:15,029 --> 00:58:11,739
about this in his above top secret she

1378
00:58:17,099 --> 00:58:15,039
hears this doctor or professor talking

1379
00:58:20,890 --> 00:58:17,109
with Neil Armstrong and and the guy says

1380
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,900
so what really happened on the moment

1381
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:22,400
this is the kind of question everyone

1382
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:23,660
would love to be a fly on the wall for

1383
00:58:29,950 --> 00:58:26,960
and according to what she said she heard

1384
00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:29,960
Neil Armstrong talking about these other

1385
00:58:36,820 --> 00:58:33,380
craft that were there he used the word

1386
00:58:39,790 --> 00:58:36,830
menacing and essentially said to this

1387
00:58:43,060 --> 00:58:39,800
guy look they were there and we we have

1388
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,070
no way of dealing with them essentially

1389
00:58:47,770 --> 00:58:45,680
is what she heard him say is it true

1390
00:58:50,170 --> 00:58:47,780
well you know you can take it for what

1391
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:50,180
it's worth Tim good believed her and he

1392
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:51,410
believed her enough that he put it in

1393
00:58:55,150 --> 00:58:53,210
his book this is the problem with our

1394
00:58:58,780 --> 00:58:55,160
field we're dealing with more than

1395
00:59:00,940 --> 00:58:58,790
simply a scientific matter I would that

1396
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:00,950
it were that simple we're dealing with a

1397
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:03,650
matter where a door has been slammed in

1398
00:59:07,660 --> 00:59:05,870
our face where we know that there's this

1399
00:59:11,530 --> 00:59:07,670
great mystery and we're trying to get it

1400
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:11,540
data that should be available for a

1401
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:13,430
public to be able to study and analyze

1402
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:16,010
and it is not available it has been

1403
00:59:19,810 --> 00:59:17,630
unavailable since the beginning and

1404
00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:19,820
that's that's a handicap and that's

1405
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:23,960
unfortunate and it's easy for skeptics

1406
00:59:27,010 --> 00:59:25,610
and people who opposed us to say well

1407
00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:27,020
you know you're you're putting out

1408
00:59:30,610 --> 00:59:29,300
information that's not it's not testable

1409
00:59:32,380 --> 00:59:30,620
it's not provable it's therefore not

1410
00:59:34,750 --> 00:59:32,390
scientific yeah that's true

1411
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:34,760
but that doesn't change the situation it

1412
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:36,710
doesn't change the fact that we are

1413
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:39,710
being stopped in our tracks it doesn't

1414
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:40,970
change the situation that we're dealing

1415
00:59:45,940 --> 00:59:43,370
with a kind of a government that is not

1416
00:59:48,550 --> 00:59:45,950
open where information does not just

1417
00:59:51,070 --> 00:59:48,560
flow freely the way that we would like

1418
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:51,080
to believe it does so we have to scurry

1419
00:59:54,340 --> 00:59:52,880
around and and pick up these stories

1420
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:54,350
where we can and some of them are

1421
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:56,570
spurious and some are not spurious and

1422
00:59:59,470 --> 00:59:57,650
it just makes the whole damn thing

1423
01:00:01,570 --> 00:59:59,480
difficult it's like putting together a

1424
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:01,580
big jigsaw puzzle of five thousand

1425
01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:01,970
pieces

1426
01:00:08,890 --> 01:00:07,430
people yelling over your shoulder saying

1427
01:00:10,540 --> 01:00:08,900
you're doing it wrong while you're

1428
01:00:12,340 --> 01:00:10,550
trying to put it that's what we do right

1429
01:00:13,690 --> 01:00:12,350
that's mathematic it's just one color

1430
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:13,700
yeah

1431
01:00:18,250 --> 01:00:15,770
well the hardest thing here is how do

1432
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:18,260
you do anything about it if you have an

1433
01:00:23,310 --> 01:00:21,290
entrenched government system that runs

1434
01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:23,320
everything behind the seams and

1435
01:00:29,020 --> 01:00:26,630
everything you see in public is just for

1436
01:00:31,090 --> 01:00:29,030
show if the real stuff is going on

1437
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:31,100
behind the scenes it would almost

1438
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:33,410
require a revolution to stop it would

1439
01:00:36,210 --> 01:00:34,240
absolutely

1440
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:36,220
that's my conclusion I felt this way for

1441
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:37,990
years and I think that something like

1442
01:00:42,930 --> 01:00:39,670
that is happening we're in the most

1443
01:00:45,930 --> 01:00:42,940
dramatically transformative period that

1444
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:45,940
anyone can conceive of throughout any of

1445
01:00:52,620 --> 01:00:48,130
human history and that's saying a lot

1446
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,630
we're developing a global system on the

1447
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:54,400
one hand that is basically for

1448
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,650
shattering a global police state but on

1449
01:01:00,990 --> 01:00:58,480
the other hand there are tools that

1450
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:01,000
ordinary people have gotten that we

1451
01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:03,849
could not dream of even 20 years ago so

1452
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:05,950
we have got this global communication

1453
01:01:13,710 --> 01:01:08,310
system in place but we've more than that

1454
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:13,720
we're developing ways of ferreting out

1455
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:16,330
information that really we're not

1456
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:18,730
feasible like Edward Snowden and like

1457
01:01:23,370 --> 01:01:21,250
WikiLeaks in other words the ability and

1458
01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:23,380
Chelsea Manning and all of these people

1459
01:01:31,050 --> 01:01:27,670
who are pulling data digital data out of

1460
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:31,060
classified repositories where it's

1461
01:01:34,770 --> 01:01:32,890
illegal for them to do so but they don't

1462
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,780
care that's not stopping them and that's

1463
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:36,880
part of our world now so I think what

1464
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:39,310
what's happening is that increasingly

1465
01:01:44,579 --> 01:01:40,510
we're gonna see more of us we're gonna

1466
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:44,589
see more examples of basically a kind of

1467
01:01:50,070 --> 01:01:47,410
a worldwide nonviolent guerrilla

1468
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:50,080
movement that is fighting on behalf of

1469
01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:52,990
truth and even justice let us say and

1470
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:55,480
it's it's a it's battle it's a war and I

1471
01:01:59,280 --> 01:01:57,250
don't think we're gonna be in the same

1472
01:02:00,359 --> 01:01:59,290
place in 20 years where we are now we're

1473
01:02:02,730 --> 01:02:00,369
gonna have new technologies new

1474
01:02:04,109 --> 01:02:02,740
capabilities there will be new

1475
01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:04,119
capabilities on the other side of the

1476
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:07,630
fence too but I think we're in a very a

1477
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:10,330
situation of flux when it's inherently

1478
01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:13,570
unstable and I would never rule out that

1479
01:02:17,730 --> 01:02:16,390
this is hopeless I mean I would never I

1480
01:02:18,810 --> 01:02:17,740
would never say this is hopeless I would

1481
01:02:21,089 --> 01:02:18,820
never rule that that we have a real

1482
01:02:24,329 --> 01:02:21,099
chance for a break sir we haven't had it

1483
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:24,339
but we may all right if we have some

1484
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:27,609
outside force responsible for UFOs say

1485
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:29,410
they are aliens say they are landing

1486
01:02:35,130 --> 01:02:31,810
here and say we have guilty knowledge of

1487
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:35,140
them inside the dark corners of

1488
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:36,970
governments okay

1489
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:39,670
are we talking to them or is there the

1490
01:02:44,430 --> 01:02:42,609
danger always danger that they will

1491
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:44,440
decide to take matters into their own

1492
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:45,280
hands

1493
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:47,850
stage of mass landing and then it's all

1494
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:50,310
yeah I mean both of those why would they

1495
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:52,770
either those be impossible let's look at

1496
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:54,930
the first one where they have

1497
01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:57,570
communication with members of the human

1498
01:03:01,730 --> 01:03:00,180
elite now look if I I've wondered about

1499
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:01,740
this many times so if like I were an

1500
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:04,260
alien or if we were aliens and we came

1501
01:03:08,660 --> 01:03:06,510
to earth so maybe we wouldn't be able

1502
01:03:10,730 --> 01:03:08,670
just to walk around on the planet's

1503
01:03:12,830 --> 01:03:10,740
surface and mingle that probably

1504
01:03:14,620 --> 01:03:12,840
wouldn't go over very well after all do

1505
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:14,630
you get the whole pitchfork and torch

1506
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:16,410
phenomenon you know people saying let's

1507
01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:18,570
kill the aliens so we might not want to

1508
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:19,830
deal with that that'd be a big hassle

1509
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,140
but we would be interested in human

1510
01:03:26,830 --> 01:03:24,000
society we would be very interested in

1511
01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:26,840
human society look humans are are

1512
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:29,220
transforming themselves so dramatically

1513
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:31,170
in this last century look where we've

1514
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:34,110
come from look where we are going I'll

1515
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:35,520
tell you where we're going but first

1516
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we've got to do this break Richard Dolan

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joins gene and Chris with Gene and Chris

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among his books two volumes of UFOs in

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the national security state and before

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we go on there's a volume three coming

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01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:24,690
somewhere what's heading with it I'll

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tell you what I've got going on so I

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01:08:29,780 --> 01:08:28,170
have two volumes of history UFOs in the

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01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:29,790
national security state one is five

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hundred pages one is six hundred pages

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those two volumes go from the early

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1940s to the early 90s it covers about

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fifty years there will absolutely be a

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third volume which will take that story

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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:45,630
to the present day before that's out

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01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:47,730
I've had one interruption one project

1635
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:48,930
after another that just seems to

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:51,089
conspire to get me on something else so

1637
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:53,010
project number one was when I wrote ad

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01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:55,859
after disclosure with prices able who

1639
01:09:00,829 --> 01:08:58,500
has been a guest on this show I have

1640
01:09:02,150 --> 01:09:00,839
very very very good feelings about

1641
01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:02,160
having done that book that was a great

1642
01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:03,660
adventure for me to write that that's a

1643
01:09:08,180 --> 01:09:05,880
speculation about the future and we can

1644
01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:08,190
talk about that but then there's been

1645
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:09,900
another project that I'm just wrapping

1646
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:13,650
up now which I'm very excited about and

1647
01:09:18,289 --> 01:09:15,960
this is some book I've called UFOs for

1648
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:18,299
the 21st century mind it's been in the

1649
01:09:22,460 --> 01:09:20,730
works for two years I have thrown so

1650
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:22,470
much of myself into this book and really

1651
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:24,810
think of it as a fresh introduction to

1652
01:09:30,910 --> 01:09:27,450
the entire field I think this this topic

1653
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:30,920
of ours has needed a comprehensive true

1654
01:09:37,370 --> 01:09:34,500
full introduction from a contemporary

1655
01:09:40,849 --> 01:09:37,380
point of view a 21st century point of

1656
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:40,859
view to all or at least as much of the

1657
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:42,930
mysteries of this topic as a person

1658
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,339
could write about and that's what I've

1659
01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:46,560
done I'm ready to put it out so this

1660
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:48,450
would be like a book that's not just for

1661
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:50,250
beginners it's a sophisticated

1662
01:09:53,210 --> 01:09:51,450
introduction that's how I would look at

1663
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:53,220
it so something that you can give to

1664
01:09:57,020 --> 01:09:54,900
your skeptical cousin who says I what's

1665
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,030
up with UFOs a lot of nonsense you say

1666
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,760
no here's a great book to get you up to

1667
01:10:04,190 --> 01:10:01,920
speed but it's also a book I think for

1668
01:10:06,220 --> 01:10:04,200
experienced researchers as well because

1669
01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:06,230
I think that there are fresh

1670
01:10:09,530 --> 01:10:08,550
perspectives in this book on every

1671
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:09,540
single page Elyse

1672
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:11,520
I tried for that and it's an engaging

1673
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,410
read and my attitude is if you're bored

1674
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:15,360
reading it then you're a boring person

1675
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:17,010
there's really no other way to get

1676
01:10:20,270 --> 01:10:18,210
around and I think it's a it's a good

1677
01:10:22,580 --> 01:10:20,280
read and I'm excited about getting this

1678
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:22,590
book out and it's I I wanted it to be a

1679
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,930
short book and it's clocking in it

1680
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:27,120
probably in the upper 300 close to 400

1681
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:29,580
pages but it's it's an engaging read so

1682
01:10:34,190 --> 01:10:31,710
that'll be out God I'm just trying to

1683
01:10:35,090 --> 01:10:34,200
get the status as quickly as I can so

1684
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:35,100
these are the things that have been

1685
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:37,410
engaging me I'm glad that I've done this

1686
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:40,530
project because it really encouraged me

1687
01:10:46,700 --> 01:10:44,370
to take a broader look at all of this

1688
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:46,710
topic whether it's the history from

1689
01:10:51,020 --> 01:10:48,870
ancient to today and I have several

1690
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:51,030
chapters dealing with the history so

1691
01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:52,590
there's a little bit of a teaser for vol

1692
01:10:56,540 --> 01:10:55,020
3 that's in this book but also the the

1693
01:10:59,540 --> 01:10:56,550
politics and what I would call the deep

1694
01:11:02,750 --> 01:10:59,550
politics some but something of a

1695
01:11:04,670 --> 01:11:02,760
sophisticated analysis of the politics

1696
01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:04,680
of the cover-up at least that's what

1697
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:06,060
I've tried to do there in a few chapters

1698
01:11:11,690 --> 01:11:08,450
but then there's chapters dealing with

1699
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:11,700
just like philosophy of what is a UFO

1700
01:11:17,540 --> 01:11:14,250
how do we really understand what UFOs

1701
01:11:20,990 --> 01:11:17,550
are in an age of unmanned drones in an

1702
01:11:22,580 --> 01:11:21,000
age of off-the-charts technology that

1703
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:22,590
our society is getting that's confusing

1704
01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:24,330
us about what UFOs are and what aren't

1705
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,670
that's a real issue and then there's a

1706
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:28,320
chapter dealing with the several

1707
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:30,330
chapters dealing with who these other

1708
01:11:34,850 --> 01:11:32,250
beings might be the whole idea of

1709
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,860
contact what is contact chapters dealing

1710
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:37,440
with science I mean whether it's dealing

1711
01:11:41,180 --> 01:11:39,300
with propulsion to space-time to

1712
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:41,190
consciousness itself or all of these are

1713
01:11:45,860 --> 01:11:42,960
issues that are very very important to

1714
01:11:49,070 --> 01:11:45,870
me and much more so it's it's a book

1715
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,080
about UFOs that really I think deals

1716
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:50,880
with this topic in a way that hopefully

1717
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:53,250
will be productive moving forward into

1718
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:55,320
the century so that's what I'm working

1719
01:11:59,720 --> 01:11:57,570
on the third volume of history it's

1720
01:12:01,700 --> 01:11:59,730
something that I'll be writing probably

1721
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:01,710
all through 2014 I want to get that book

1722
01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:05,070
done too so it's just I'm working

1723
01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:06,360
working working plus the other thing

1724
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:08,520
that I'm doing this has been a very big

1725
01:12:12,850 --> 01:12:09,960
part of my year and it's going to be a

1726
01:12:15,230 --> 01:12:12,860
very big part of next year is that I've

1727
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:15,240
really been expanding my own publishing

1728
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:17,370
company which ivory Note renamed to

1729
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:18,930
Richard Dolan press it's no longer

1730
01:12:22,110 --> 01:12:20,640
keyhole publishing and I've been

1731
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:22,120
publishing books by some

1732
01:12:27,870 --> 01:12:24,730
really stellar authors this year and

1733
01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:27,880
going into next year also I'm very very

1734
01:12:33,900 --> 01:12:30,550
glad to be doing this it's all as a way

1735
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:33,910
for me to find a method of a

1736
01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:35,560
contributing to this field helping

1737
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:37,470
others contribute to the field and

1738
01:12:43,170 --> 01:12:41,110
finding a way so that I can delve into

1739
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:43,180
this topic full time and not have to

1740
01:12:47,490 --> 01:12:45,610
distract myself with a day job so the

1741
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:47,500
publishing company becomes your day job

1742
01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:49,090
yes exactly

1743
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:51,310
the publishing company and this topic

1744
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:53,980
all of it all of it rolled into one hmm

1745
01:12:59,760 --> 01:12:55,030
I might have to send you some book

1746
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,770
proposals do it yeah me too I get them

1747
01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:01,360
frequently now I get them frequently

1748
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:03,160
I've got a bunch of books that I'm

1749
01:13:07,980 --> 01:13:04,860
working on right now for other authors

1750
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:07,990
one of which I was just fascinated

1751
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:10,210
because an article came out that's on

1752
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:11,880
exactly this topic which has to do with

1753
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:16,260
russian/soviet you SOS just turns out

1754
01:13:21,210 --> 01:13:18,250
supposedly I just read the article I

1755
01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:21,220
haven't seen a detailed source on this

1756
01:13:26,610 --> 01:13:23,320
but I'm told that the Russian Navy has

1757
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:26,620
Navy has Declassified a number of their

1758
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:30,310
reports on submerged unknown submersible

1759
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:33,370
objects US owes and it so happens that

1760
01:13:37,650 --> 01:13:35,770
I'm publishing a book in the next few

1761
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:37,660
months by Paul Stonehill and Philip

1762
01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:38,830
mantel they've worked together in the

1763
01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:43,020
past on Russian so that's a good pairing

1764
01:13:48,990 --> 01:13:46,840
yes oh absolutely on Russian US owes and

1765
01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:49,000
a lot of the themes that I read about in

1766
01:13:54,330 --> 01:13:53,230
this new press release are exactly what

1767
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:54,340
they're dealing with in detail is

1768
01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:57,250
fascinating book so I mean I I feel like

1769
01:14:01,790 --> 01:13:59,010
one of the luckiest people I know I'm

1770
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:01,800
finding a way to do this full-time

1771
01:14:07,230 --> 01:14:04,510
engaging myself in this topic dealing

1772
01:14:09,450 --> 01:14:07,240
with fascinating authors who have just

1773
01:14:12,180 --> 01:14:09,460
incredible things to say it adds to my

1774
01:14:13,890 --> 01:14:12,190
knowledge and hopefully I'm able to

1775
01:14:15,540 --> 01:14:13,900
contribute to their success and get

1776
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:15,550
their information out there that sounds

1777
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:18,010
great that's my life these days yeah

1778
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:19,450
well that's good moving forward and

1779
01:14:24,810 --> 01:14:21,730
being part of the solution as opposed to

1780
01:14:26,490 --> 01:14:24,820
being a log jam that's one of the

1781
01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:26,500
problems people get entrenched in this

1782
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:29,020
field into a particular conclusion or

1783
01:14:34,620 --> 01:14:32,290
set of beliefs and it sounds like you're

1784
01:14:35,609 --> 01:14:34,630
allowing yourself to be open to all

1785
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:35,619
possibilities

1786
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,329
at the same time really drilling down on

1787
01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:39,280
the on the areas that you feel or most

1788
01:14:45,209 --> 01:14:42,340
uh it could be potentially most fruitful

1789
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:45,219
well I I love what I've done 51 years

1790
01:14:50,609 --> 01:14:48,489
old now and so I'm not I'm not the young

1791
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:50,619
kid in the field anymore I'm not so old

1792
01:14:55,229 --> 01:14:52,449
and I have no energy left I feel like

1793
01:14:56,939 --> 01:14:55,239
I'm at the perfect period in my life to

1794
01:14:59,520 --> 01:14:56,949
be doing all of this and and one of the

1795
01:15:02,520 --> 01:14:59,530
important things is to remind myself not

1796
01:15:07,709 --> 01:15:02,530
to turn my brain into concrete and not

1797
01:15:09,810 --> 01:15:07,719
to a conclusion for all time as a this

1798
01:15:11,939 --> 01:15:09,820
is what it is though the farther I go

1799
01:15:15,419 --> 01:15:11,949
down this path the more I realize this

1800
01:15:18,299 --> 01:15:15,429
is a topic that we're really we're

1801
01:15:22,129 --> 01:15:18,309
bumping into the limits of our knowledge

1802
01:15:24,689 --> 01:15:22,139
here and maybe maybe the limits of our

1803
01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:24,699
capacity as sometimes to understand this

1804
01:15:27,659 --> 01:15:26,289
mystery it could very well be that what

1805
01:15:31,259 --> 01:15:27,669
we're dealing with is an intelligence

1806
01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:31,269
that is just so far different than

1807
01:15:37,409 --> 01:15:33,129
beyond where we are we may never truly

1808
01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:37,419
grasp all of this topic but look what

1809
01:15:40,169 --> 01:15:38,590
else you want to do with your life you

1810
01:15:42,449 --> 01:15:40,179
know you can sit around on and watch

1811
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:42,459
American Idol or you can you can dive

1812
01:15:47,419 --> 01:15:44,169
into something that's really engaging it

1813
01:15:49,739 --> 01:15:47,429
keeps you useful that keeps you thinking

1814
01:15:51,689 --> 01:15:49,749
about the world in interesting ways I'd

1815
01:15:54,020 --> 01:15:51,699
rather do that mental gymnastics so I

1816
01:15:56,989 --> 01:15:54,030
always love the Terence Mckenna

1817
01:16:00,270 --> 01:15:56,999
observation that whatever this is that

1818
01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:00,280
we're seeing that we are thinking is is

1819
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:02,860
ET or off-planet is actually something

1820
01:16:06,659 --> 01:16:04,510
so far beyond that that it's

1821
01:16:08,969 --> 01:16:06,669
masquerading itself is ET so that we can

1822
01:16:11,879 --> 01:16:08,979
even deal with it maybe it that's that's

1823
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:11,889
a really brilliant thought and it's this

1824
01:16:15,869 --> 01:16:13,209
is something that Jacques ballet I think

1825
01:16:18,209 --> 01:16:15,879
put out there years before as well and I

1826
01:16:20,819 --> 01:16:18,219
think there's a lot to the idea John

1827
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:20,829
keel also put out ideas of that nature

1828
01:16:24,839 --> 01:16:22,719
when he talked of ultra terrestrials

1829
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:24,849
we've got Richard Dolan joining us this

1830
01:16:29,790 --> 01:16:28,090
week with Jean and Chris you're in the

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1928
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Don Ecker and you are tuned in to the

1929
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1930
01:21:00,420 --> 01:20:57,280
let me tell you what you're gonna hear

1931
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:00,430
stuff here that you probably won't hear

1932
01:21:07,290 --> 01:21:05,010
anywhere else here that George Noory

1933
01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:07,300
we're thinking here ladies and gentlemen

1934
01:21:11,670 --> 01:21:09,550
of having the best of the para cast

1935
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:11,680
stingers so we feature Richard Dolan

1936
01:21:18,570 --> 01:21:16,090
Brice Zabel Nick Redfern of course Chris

1937
01:21:19,740 --> 01:21:18,580
O'Brien and others who have given it a

1938
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:19,750
try over the years

1939
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:21,760
Brad Steiger did a pretty good job a

1940
01:21:30,510 --> 01:21:24,400
couple of weeks ago his best Bela Lugosi

1941
01:21:33,150 --> 01:21:30,520
imitation oh my god Wow I've never

1942
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,160
spoken to him you've never had the Brad

1943
01:21:36,780 --> 01:21:34,960
Steiner or spotted with him

1944
01:21:39,150 --> 01:21:36,790
I've corresponding with him I had a

1945
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:39,160
couple of research questions I recall on

1946
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:40,960
one occasion but I never met the man

1947
01:21:45,810 --> 01:21:44,050
yeah I met him years and years ago and

1948
01:21:48,270 --> 01:21:45,820
have you know of course when I was a kid

1949
01:21:50,459 --> 01:21:48,280
I remember reading his books in grade

1950
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:50,469
school man he's been at it quite a long

1951
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:52,810
time I've known him for a hundred years

1952
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:55,449
you know so cool but I haven't met him

1953
01:21:59,100 --> 01:21:56,770
that often I've talked to him on the

1954
01:22:01,320 --> 01:21:59,110
phone occasionally he was the first one

1955
01:22:04,740 --> 01:22:01,330
of the first guests we had in the para

1956
01:22:07,530 --> 01:22:04,750
cast in 2006 and he helped us name the

1957
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:07,540
show by the way oh well we were gonna

1958
01:22:11,970 --> 01:22:09,250
call it seriously folks this is a real

1959
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:11,980
story we were going to call it para cast

1960
01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:14,890
world and Brad said why not

1961
01:22:18,959 --> 01:22:17,860
the para cast and I said why not I

1962
01:22:20,970 --> 01:22:18,969
thought you gotta call it James

1963
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:20,980
steinberg's wacky UFO merry-go-round

1964
01:22:24,030 --> 01:22:22,030
that's what I thought your first name

1965
01:22:27,450 --> 01:22:24,040
was well you know I don't put my name in

1966
01:22:27,930 --> 01:22:27,460
the products did I do maybe I should but

1967
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:27,940
I don't

1968
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:30,610
maybe it's because you know I want to be

1969
01:22:34,890 --> 01:22:32,770
more respectful for the people who work

1970
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:34,900
with me Richard Dolan are we on the air

1971
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:36,760
now or I don't even know well you know

1972
01:22:41,939 --> 01:22:38,080
sometimes we don't know either but

1973
01:22:44,939 --> 01:22:41,949
actually we are and we need to kind of

1974
01:22:47,250 --> 01:22:44,949
focus on something or other but I think

1975
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:47,260
one of the big questions we get when we

1976
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:50,110
talk about the government having access

1977
01:22:55,140 --> 01:22:52,930
to secret alien technology if they get a

1978
01:22:57,570 --> 01:22:55,150
hold of these things number one is how

1979
01:23:00,209 --> 01:22:57,580
do they reverse engineer anything I mean

1980
01:23:02,850 --> 01:23:00,219
take today's iPhone 5s with the

1981
01:23:05,310 --> 01:23:02,860
fingerprint sensor and everything take

1982
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:05,320
it back a hundred years hand it to

1983
01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:07,090
somebody and say figure it out

1984
01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:08,740
right they wouldn't they

1985
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:10,270
be it would be impossible give to get

1986
01:23:13,950 --> 01:23:12,130
everyone a cellphone to the greatest

1987
01:23:16,590 --> 01:23:13,960
genius of the 19th century and they

1988
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:16,600
would fail utterly and even you know the

1989
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:18,490
beginnings of understanding how to do it

1990
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:20,560
but what I think happens with reverse

1991
01:23:24,750 --> 01:23:22,510
engineering is in my theory you know

1992
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:24,760
let's say you give you give someone a

1993
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:28,510
cellphone a hundred years ago so you

1994
01:23:33,150 --> 01:23:30,370
know data they can't reproduce it

1995
01:23:36,330 --> 01:23:33,160
obviously but maybe they know that it is

1996
01:23:37,950 --> 01:23:36,340
a phone maybe they know maybe some

1997
01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:37,960
information came to them to telling them

1998
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:41,500
this is a device that you can speak you

1999
01:23:44,970 --> 01:23:42,370
can use to speak to other people

2000
01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:44,980
wirelessly you know so they may know

2001
01:23:50,460 --> 01:23:47,830
some parameters and really one of the

2002
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:50,470
key things about enabling scientific

2003
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:53,170
progress it seems to me is a simple

2004
01:23:58,530 --> 01:23:56,170
thing it's knowing that such and such a

2005
01:24:01,100 --> 01:23:58,540
thing is even possible if you know

2006
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,110
something's possible then you know

2007
01:24:06,270 --> 01:24:03,040
that's the direction we're going to go

2008
01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:06,280
so what I what I would suggest is that

2009
01:24:12,510 --> 01:24:09,430
when you get exotic technology that's

2010
01:24:14,570 --> 01:24:12,520
been retrieved no you can't reproduce it

2011
01:24:18,450 --> 01:24:14,580
it's too far beyond and in fact there

2012
01:24:21,420 --> 01:24:18,460
again we have leaks exactly saying that

2013
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:21,430
precise thing but what we end up doing

2014
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:25,840
is we try our own methods at attempting

2015
01:24:30,930 --> 01:24:28,110
to go in that direction and those

2016
01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:30,940
themselves can lead to breakthroughs if

2017
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:32,830
we first have to know what they're doing

2018
01:24:38,730 --> 01:24:35,590
before we try to duplicate it we know

2019
01:24:40,710 --> 01:24:38,740
maybe that this craft flies in the air

2020
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:40,720
so we want to see if we can do something

2021
01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:41,970
like that

2022
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:45,310
lesser inventions we have to first use

2023
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:47,440
the technology and see it in action

2024
01:24:52,830 --> 01:24:50,050
before we could say now let's see what

2025
01:24:54,570 --> 01:24:52,840
we could do right but for example you

2026
01:24:57,210 --> 01:24:54,580
know go to Roswell or go to some other

2027
01:24:59,490 --> 01:24:57,220
crash retrieval or Kingman which I think

2028
01:25:01,290 --> 01:24:59,500
is potentially a very good one or even

2029
01:25:03,330 --> 01:25:01,300
Aztec which I think has been at a very

2030
01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:03,340
good case paid for it recently stop it

2031
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:06,070
stop stop Aztec before we go on with

2032
01:25:10,710 --> 01:25:08,650
that I really want to segue into Aztec

2033
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:10,720
because I'm kind of a skeptic and I know

2034
01:25:16,350 --> 01:25:14,320
Scott Ramsey I like the guy I think he's

2035
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:16,360
really sincere II really tried hard I

2036
01:25:22,530 --> 01:25:20,170
did read the book I did study the people

2037
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:22,540
who didn't believe in that book and

2038
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:26,080
their own ideas but what makes you feel

2039
01:25:31,140 --> 01:25:28,810
that Aztec is a compelling case before

2040
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:31,150
we even go on that came something well I

2041
01:25:36,990 --> 01:25:33,850
think that what he pointed out I think

2042
01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:37,000
very very definitively was that the the

2043
01:25:46,580 --> 01:25:41,350
primary attack on Aztec was made by a

2044
01:25:49,980 --> 01:25:46,590
man who was beyond even having a grudge

2045
01:25:52,410 --> 01:25:49,990
it was a man who would wanted in on the

2046
01:25:56,190 --> 01:25:52,420
investigation was absolutely riveted by

2047
01:25:58,650 --> 01:25:56,200
it and was locked out by Frank Scully

2048
01:26:01,320 --> 01:25:58,660
who wrote about it and had a vendetta

2049
01:26:04,130 --> 01:26:01,330
and did everything possible to destroy

2050
01:26:06,570 --> 01:26:04,140
the case publicly and succeeded in that

2051
01:26:08,970 --> 01:26:06,580
so that's one thing and when you when

2052
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:08,980
you go back to the circumstantial

2053
01:26:16,530 --> 01:26:11,050
evidence I certainly will grant you that

2054
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:16,540
it's not anywhere as prolific or strong

2055
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:19,450
as with some other crash retrieval cases

2056
01:26:26,150 --> 01:26:20,890
and I think are very good nonetheless

2057
01:26:28,980 --> 01:26:26,160
there's enough there that I think it's

2058
01:26:31,650 --> 01:26:28,990
way premature just to go back to this

2059
01:26:34,050 --> 01:26:31,660
tired old debunking of the early 1950s I

2060
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:34,060
said I was all a hoax and that the the

2061
01:26:36,690 --> 01:26:36,250
guys involved or con men nothing of the

2062
01:26:38,460 --> 01:26:36,700
sort

2063
01:26:41,340 --> 01:26:38,470
nothing of a sir I think Ramsey makes

2064
01:26:43,230 --> 01:26:41,350
this a very very persuasive case so no I

2065
01:26:46,980 --> 01:26:43,240
don't agree I think that the Aztek case

2066
01:26:49,470 --> 01:26:46,990
is to debunk it the way that some people

2067
01:26:52,350 --> 01:26:49,480
have done I think that's old-school and

2068
01:26:55,020 --> 01:26:52,360
I think it's wrong alright Kingman we

2069
01:26:56,990 --> 01:26:55,030
had the guy here who has been studying

2070
01:26:59,700 --> 01:26:57,000
kingman for a long time kingman arizona

2071
01:27:01,980 --> 01:26:59,710
yeah what makes you think that has a

2072
01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:01,990
possibility well that's it that's

2073
01:27:08,630 --> 01:27:04,630
another sketchy one but there's some

2074
01:27:12,660 --> 01:27:08,640
again interesting circumstantial

2075
01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:12,670
evidence pointing to kingman you've got

2076
01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:15,160
oh gosh now i wish i could remember some

2077
01:27:19,650 --> 01:27:18,070
of the some of the exact details of the

2078
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:19,660
case i was just thinking about this

2079
01:27:25,230 --> 01:27:23,530
recently too but you've got some of the

2080
01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:25,240
reach evan randall did some work on

2081
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,350
kingman you've got where he came across

2082
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:31,120
a witness who

2083
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:32,800
seemed to talk about a crash in that

2084
01:27:38,010 --> 01:27:35,410
area in the spring of 1953 a couple of

2085
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:38,020
other researchers also stumbled across

2086
01:27:42,990 --> 01:27:40,330
people who talked about the same thing

2087
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:43,000
oh and then you got this very weird

2088
01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:45,040
interesting statement bill uhouse is now

2089
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:50,760
dead who talked about the being that uh

2090
01:27:59,250 --> 01:27:56,530
you know who came it was acquired in the

2091
01:28:03,150 --> 01:27:59,260
spring of 1953 I was according what you

2092
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:03,160
has used to say so I just wonder you

2093
01:28:06,210 --> 01:28:04,450
know when you get information like this

2094
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:06,220
you can do one of two things you can say

2095
01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:08,320
well there's it's not proven in any

2096
01:28:12,510 --> 01:28:09,670
document so I'm just gonna dismiss and

2097
01:28:13,140 --> 01:28:12,520
throw it out or you can say well this is

2098
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:13,150
interesting

2099
01:28:18,900 --> 01:28:16,270
and when you get enough of these from

2100
01:28:22,620 --> 01:28:18,910
disparate sources at least for myself I

2101
01:28:24,270 --> 01:28:22,630
think hmm it could be true the thing

2102
01:28:25,770 --> 01:28:24,280
that's really convinced me about crash

2103
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:25,780
retrievals to be honest with you is

2104
01:28:30,230 --> 01:28:27,690
probably the work of Leonard Stringfield

2105
01:28:32,220 --> 01:28:30,240
you know back in late 70s early 80s

2106
01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:32,230
through the early 90s actually

2107
01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:33,310
Stringfield

2108
01:28:41,370 --> 01:28:36,190
collected story after story after story

2109
01:28:44,780 --> 01:28:41,380
dozens scores from individuals who very

2110
01:28:47,670 --> 01:28:44,790
quietly would come up to him with

2111
01:28:49,470 --> 01:28:47,680
fascinating stories either that they

2112
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:49,480
personally had or that their deceased

2113
01:28:52,290 --> 01:28:51,610
husband had told them about or

2114
01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:52,300
what-have-you

2115
01:28:58,050 --> 01:28:55,870
about being in a room with dead aliens

2116
01:28:59,850 --> 01:28:58,060
at wright-patt or being at a crash

2117
01:29:01,890 --> 01:28:59,860
retrieval at this place or at that place

2118
01:29:04,290 --> 01:29:01,900
or in one of the strength fields places

2119
01:29:07,290 --> 01:29:04,300
cases a doctor in New York City who had

2120
01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:07,300
told him in some detail about having on

2121
01:29:09,540 --> 01:29:09,220
one occasion done an autopsy on an alien

2122
01:29:11,790 --> 01:29:09,550
being

2123
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,800
and what Stringfield it is he simply

2124
01:29:15,870 --> 01:29:13,360
collected them to the best of his

2125
01:29:18,780 --> 01:29:15,880
ability he tried to vet his sources and

2126
01:29:20,460 --> 01:29:18,790
some were vetted better than others but

2127
01:29:22,770 --> 01:29:20,470
he had a lot of them and he became a

2128
01:29:24,810 --> 01:29:22,780
kind of magnet for them and I think when

2129
01:29:27,210 --> 01:29:24,820
you look at the sum total of what he

2130
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:27,220
gathered it's quite compelling whatever

2131
01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:29,050
happened to all his files I wonder I

2132
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:32,470
don't know he died in 94 that's a great

2133
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:33,730
question isn't one of the big problems

2134
01:29:36,330 --> 01:29:34,960
in our field you've got these private

2135
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researchers to develop a lot of

2136
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information and then what happens it

2137
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just goes away I've been trying to get

2138
01:29:44,540 --> 01:29:43,060
access to the a profiles I've been

2139
01:29:46,490 --> 01:29:44,550
working on this for five years

2140
01:29:48,260 --> 01:29:46,500
I'm gonna ask you that one well yeah

2141
01:29:51,919 --> 01:29:48,270
there's my calls I know where they are

2142
01:29:53,870 --> 01:29:51,929
basically I think Sedona the people are

2143
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:53,880
but if I don't think the files are I

2144
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:55,650
think they're down in in the Phoenix

2145
01:29:59,120 --> 01:29:57,570
area well I'm not far from the Phoenix

2146
01:30:01,760 --> 01:29:59,130
area so maybe you and I can do a

2147
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nighttime excursion looking and entering

2148
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I'd say mercy tonight but then Sheriff

2149
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Joe who's of course the sheriff of

2150
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Maricopa County which covers Phoenix

2151
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he'll be listening to the show and he

2152
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gets his shunned arms to follow us if we

2153
01:30:18,049 --> 01:30:16,469
try to do a top-secret trip to where

2154
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those files are held that's the aerial

2155
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phenomena research organization folks

2156
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that was headed by the late Jim and Cora

2157
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Lorenzen and starring in the 50s and 60s

2158
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going through probably the 80s and 90s

2159
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Richard Dolan joining Jean and Chris

2160
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[Music]

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imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

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for under sixty nine thousand dollars

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[Music]

2263
01:35:15,609 --> 01:35:12,349
with Gina and Chris in the power cast no

2264
01:35:21,700 --> 01:35:15,619
we're not planning on locating the a

2265
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:21,710
profiles not doing a heist no hice well

2266
01:35:24,939 --> 01:35:23,570
they owe me a big favor I really went

2267
01:35:27,700 --> 01:35:24,949
out of the way to help them out with a

2268
01:35:29,770 --> 01:35:27,710
with a project and under with the

2269
01:35:32,109 --> 01:35:29,780
understanding that the quid pro quo you

2270
01:35:36,220 --> 01:35:32,119
guys are gonna you know give me access

2271
01:35:39,010 --> 01:35:36,230
to to pull out some very specific case

2272
01:35:42,129 --> 01:35:39,020
files and and they they just totally

2273
01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:42,139
just did they now ignore me I should go

2274
01:35:45,370 --> 01:35:44,000
camp on their doorstep and say I'm not

2275
01:35:47,919 --> 01:35:45,380
gonna leave until you make good on your

2276
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:47,929
promise I'm sorry I found Tina Choate I

2277
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:49,130
was looking for her she was one of the

2278
01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:50,690
she was really the main person who stole

2279
01:35:54,609 --> 01:35:53,150
those files for anyone who has no idea

2280
01:35:59,140 --> 01:35:54,619
we're talking about a pro had an

2281
01:36:01,209 --> 01:35:59,150
enormous number of valuable first-hand

2282
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:01,219
UFO related files that they collected

2283
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:05,330
for over 30 years 15 file cabinets yeah

2284
01:36:11,020 --> 01:36:08,570
is huge and when the lorenz ins died in

2285
01:36:14,620 --> 01:36:11,030
the mid-80s women named Tina Choate and

2286
01:36:16,359 --> 01:36:14,630
her her pal Brian Myers I believe right

2287
01:36:18,970 --> 01:36:16,369
strolled into town after they'd

2288
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:18,980
hoodwinked J Allen Hynek to to come to

2289
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:22,489
Arizona with them under very false

2290
01:36:27,820 --> 01:36:26,000
pretenses and they go to appetite awk to

2291
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:27,830
Bob Dean about this Bob Dean was on the

2292
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:30,560
a pro board at the time and he said it

2293
01:36:34,689 --> 01:36:32,449
was the most shameful thing in my entire

2294
01:36:36,490 --> 01:36:34,699
life well I was part of the board that

2295
01:36:40,209 --> 01:36:36,500
gave away those files of these people

2296
01:36:42,669 --> 01:36:40,219
and and he he hates them to this day but

2297
01:36:44,850 --> 01:36:42,679
really they had this pretense that they

2298
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:44,860
were starting a new UFO organization

2299
01:36:49,149 --> 01:36:47,570
they were gonna make the files open to

2300
01:36:50,500 --> 01:36:49,159
the public they were gonna you know they

2301
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:50,510
were going full guns on this and then

2302
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:53,449
they got the files for nothing and then

2303
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:55,730
proceeded just to lock them up and write

2304
01:37:01,500 --> 01:36:58,159
no innocence and they've been they've

2305
01:37:05,290 --> 01:37:01,510
been busted for fraud and other

2306
01:37:06,930 --> 01:37:05,300
questionable activities that do not shed

2307
01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:06,940
a good light on their character and

2308
01:37:11,169 --> 01:37:09,110
every couple of months I call them up

2309
01:37:13,209 --> 01:37:11,179
and say hey remember me I'm gonna keep

2310
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:13,219
bugging you until you till you get get

2311
01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:15,290
in touch with me the world's real song

2312
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:16,329
and dance

2313
01:37:22,919 --> 01:37:19,690
yeah I called at one time I actually

2314
01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:22,929
gave her a phone call and just trying to

2315
01:37:26,010 --> 01:37:24,280
do some kind of interview talk weather

2316
01:37:28,319 --> 01:37:26,020
and she wouldn't she wouldn't even say

2317
01:37:31,140 --> 01:37:28,329
that it was her like I asked you here

2318
01:37:33,299 --> 01:37:31,150
why would you lock these things up in a

2319
01:37:34,530 --> 01:37:33,309
file cabinet and just leave them are

2320
01:37:35,669 --> 01:37:34,540
they hoping that maybe somebody will

2321
01:37:38,220 --> 01:37:35,679
come in there and write him a check for

2322
01:37:39,979 --> 01:37:38,230
a million dollars to take now the reason

2323
01:37:43,049 --> 01:37:39,989
they did is because they were told to

2324
01:37:45,060 --> 01:37:43,059
the app profiles are so valuable in and

2325
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:45,070
for the UFO research to move forward we

2326
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:47,650
need access to files like those and you

2327
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:49,449
take it and you lock them away and you

2328
01:37:55,169 --> 01:37:51,730
just kill the field you just put a big

2329
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:55,179
roadblock in front you know how I gotta

2330
01:37:58,370 --> 01:37:56,290
get a million dollars for the files

2331
01:38:01,410 --> 01:37:58,380
eight maybe a couple of thousand dollars

2332
01:38:03,810 --> 01:38:01,420
nothing you're gonna retire off of so

2333
01:38:06,990 --> 01:38:03,820
it's not for money it's it's not even

2334
01:38:09,209 --> 01:38:07,000
for spite it's an up it's not right what

2335
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:09,219
else can it be they go in they steal the

2336
01:38:13,140 --> 01:38:11,679
files and then they lock them away what

2337
01:38:14,370 --> 01:38:13,150
does that sound like if you're dealing

2338
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:14,380
with a topic that's got national

2339
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:18,090
security implications and this does then

2340
01:38:23,569 --> 01:38:21,520
what's how difficult is it to hire a

2341
01:38:27,169 --> 01:38:23,579
couple of people and say hey do this

2342
01:38:29,129 --> 01:38:27,179
just take this here you go and

2343
01:38:29,939 --> 01:38:29,139
everything's done through cutouts and

2344
01:38:31,859 --> 01:38:29,949
they're cut out

2345
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:31,869
that's what I would say and of course

2346
01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:33,489
it's not that you can sue them because

2347
01:38:37,919 --> 01:38:35,980
you have no standing correct they got

2348
01:38:39,569 --> 01:38:37,929
the files legally yeah well yeah

2349
01:38:41,310 --> 01:38:39,579
possession is nine-tenths of the law and

2350
01:38:43,049 --> 01:38:41,320
they were awarded those files under

2351
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:43,059
under like you said questionable

2352
01:38:47,729 --> 01:38:45,280
circumstances but they were given the

2353
01:38:49,140 --> 01:38:47,739
files by the board absolutely they could

2354
01:38:52,319 --> 01:38:49,150
have they could be flooded they could be

2355
01:38:54,569 --> 01:38:52,329
destroyed who knows I have no idea so we

2356
01:38:56,669 --> 01:38:54,579
only hope they might be somewhere they

2357
01:38:57,959 --> 01:38:56,679
gave me giggling getting mold well and

2358
01:39:00,270 --> 01:38:57,969
they're in South West maybe not much

2359
01:39:01,859 --> 01:39:00,280
mold but still we have no idea what's

2360
01:39:04,350 --> 01:39:01,869
happening you know I could be sitting

2361
01:39:06,780 --> 01:39:04,360
here a 15-minute drive from that place

2362
01:39:08,939 --> 01:39:06,790
oh well Chris there's a bunch of

2363
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:08,949
questions from our listeners and I can

2364
01:39:12,959 --> 01:39:10,570
see now that this is one of the shows

2365
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:12,969
that should take six hours and then some

2366
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:14,650
but since we can't do a six hour show

2367
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:15,130
today

2368
01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:17,110
Chris do we have some questions from the

2369
01:39:20,819 --> 01:39:18,760
audience that might be relevant to what

2370
01:39:23,220 --> 01:39:20,829
we've been discussing so far you know we

2371
01:39:25,890 --> 01:39:23,230
do actually gene and of course Richard

2372
01:39:28,109 --> 01:39:25,900
you do tend to bring out very very

2373
01:39:29,149 --> 01:39:28,119
interesting questions from our listeners

2374
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:29,159
and

2375
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:31,370
posters at forum dr. Peric Escom

2376
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:34,080
blowfish one of our very active members

2377
01:39:38,209 --> 01:39:36,449
has an interesting question here I think

2378
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,219
it's a good one to start with it's a

2379
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:40,320
topic that we haven't covered but we've

2380
01:39:44,180 --> 01:39:42,449
kind of hinted around at it what is your

2381
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:44,190
best evidence that a black budget space

2382
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:47,250
program exists if let's say you get into

2383
01:39:51,950 --> 01:39:49,290
a debate with skeptics about this yeah

2384
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:51,960
it's a great question I I would make the

2385
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:54,960
argument by inference so you have a

2386
01:40:00,080 --> 01:39:56,400
couple of things going on one is there's

2387
01:40:01,550 --> 01:40:00,090
there's is a black budget okay we know

2388
01:40:03,020 --> 01:40:01,560
that there's a black budget officially

2389
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:03,030
speaking it's something in the longer

2390
01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:04,530
lines of 50 billion dollars I'll

2391
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:07,080
guarantee you it's more than that and I

2392
01:40:11,090 --> 01:40:08,610
would say that because what we have is

2393
01:40:12,740 --> 01:40:11,100
an underground black budget economy that

2394
01:40:14,990 --> 01:40:12,750
deals with narco trafficking securities

2395
01:40:17,300 --> 01:40:15,000
fraud financial fraud and alike and

2396
01:40:19,070 --> 01:40:17,310
anyone who does any little investigation

2397
01:40:23,060 --> 01:40:19,080
into the global intelligence community

2398
01:40:26,030 --> 01:40:23,070
understands this - space is the power

2399
01:40:28,220 --> 01:40:26,040
amount center of gravity as it were for

2400
01:40:31,100 --> 01:40:28,230
u.s. national security if you do not

2401
01:40:33,050 --> 01:40:31,110
control space you're not a player you do

2402
01:40:36,189 --> 01:40:33,060
not win wars if you'd in a control space

2403
01:40:39,459 --> 01:40:36,199
so the United States has an absolute

2404
01:40:42,620 --> 01:40:39,469
military paramount interest in

2405
01:40:44,570 --> 01:40:42,630
dominating space as a platform so you've

2406
01:40:47,959 --> 01:40:44,580
got that so you've got a black budget

2407
01:40:52,660 --> 01:40:47,969
you've got the need to control space you

2408
01:40:56,629 --> 01:40:52,670
therefore must have classified

2409
01:40:59,390 --> 01:40:56,639
space-based programs that do exist okay

2410
01:41:01,610 --> 01:40:59,400
so that I think is very easy logic for

2411
01:41:04,820 --> 01:41:01,620
anyone to understand on top of that you

2412
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:04,830
have a lot of video evidence of

2413
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:06,570
anomalies and I'm not talking about the

2414
01:41:10,189 --> 01:41:07,770
tether incident because I don't credit

2415
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:10,199
that one but I do think that there are a

2416
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:16,489
number of compelling space-based UFO

2417
01:41:23,180 --> 01:41:19,290
encounters that have come down to us

2418
01:41:25,220 --> 01:41:23,190
than I do credit so this is my logic you

2419
01:41:27,470 --> 01:41:25,230
have a lot of money you have a demand

2420
01:41:31,700 --> 01:41:27,480
for control of space and you have

2421
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:31,710
encounters with what appear to be highly

2422
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:33,810
advanced technology in space so let me

2423
01:41:38,990 --> 01:41:36,449
ask you this if you've got the

2424
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:39,000
wherewithal to be in space are you

2425
01:41:43,450 --> 01:41:41,360
simply going to

2426
01:41:45,250 --> 01:41:43,460
not investigate any of the things that

2427
01:41:46,750 --> 01:41:45,260
are out there of course you will of

2428
01:41:49,420 --> 01:41:46,760
course you will but you cannot

2429
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:49,430
investigate them in open you cannot

2430
01:41:54,490 --> 01:41:50,960
investigate them with the public

2431
01:41:59,500 --> 01:41:54,500
watching you that that won't work so you

2432
01:42:02,470 --> 01:41:59,510
must have a clandestine space program to

2433
01:42:05,890 --> 01:42:02,480
some extent the question is what is the

2434
01:42:08,410 --> 01:42:05,900
extent are they simply dealing with

2435
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:08,420
classified technology that's dealing

2436
01:42:14,050 --> 01:42:10,370
with this anomalous phenomenon space in

2437
01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:14,060
Earth orbit or is there a possibility

2438
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:16,760
that this program is dealing even with

2439
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:19,010
beyond Earth orbit for example the moon

2440
01:42:25,110 --> 01:42:22,130
I think the answer to that is yes and I

2441
01:42:28,300 --> 01:42:25,120
think the answer is yes based on again

2442
01:42:31,690 --> 01:42:28,310
the accounts that have come down to us

2443
01:42:34,270 --> 01:42:31,700
over the years that deal with anomalies

2444
01:42:36,220 --> 01:42:34,280
concerning the moon so if you've got all

2445
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,230
of that you're gonna be investigating

2446
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:38,960
you'd be irresponsible if you didn't so

2447
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:40,400
I think on that reason I think there's a

2448
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:43,370
secret space program what are the exact

2449
01:42:47,229 --> 01:42:45,440
parameters and contours of it I don't

2450
01:42:50,350 --> 01:42:47,239
know I'm not in the program but I

2451
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:50,360
haven't really bothered to tell me but

2452
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:51,530
that's how I think it's going down

2453
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:53,930
that's why I believe it okay the belief

2454
01:42:58,270 --> 01:42:56,210
how does that transfer to actually

2455
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:58,280
proving it there's a whole new of a

2456
01:43:03,340 --> 01:43:01,040
secret space program I can't I know I

2457
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:03,350
don't know yet I haven't proven it I

2458
01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:06,050
think that it's when I look at this

2459
01:43:10,030 --> 01:43:07,900
topic there I have to make gradations

2460
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:10,040
predation number one is what I know is

2461
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:12,560
true what I know is true is based on

2462
01:43:17,380 --> 01:43:14,930
confirmed documentary evidence and other

2463
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:17,390
things that stand up so declassified

2464
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:18,770
documents and so forth and what I know

2465
01:43:23,979 --> 01:43:20,960
from those is that there is a phenomenon

2466
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:23,989
that is engaged our national security

2467
01:43:27,700 --> 01:43:25,250
community for many many years

2468
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:27,710
the technology that's not supposed to

2469
01:43:33,580 --> 01:43:30,890
exist but does that violate sensitive

2470
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:33,590
airspace objects that don't look normal

2471
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:34,730
they look disc shape they have

2472
01:43:38,440 --> 01:43:36,320
incredible capabilities and so forth

2473
01:43:40,750 --> 01:43:38,450
that to me there's no question that's

2474
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:40,760
real that begs a question of who they

2475
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:42,410
are so that's a gradation number one let

2476
01:43:49,450 --> 01:43:46,130
the next level is what I feel confident

2477
01:43:51,370 --> 01:43:49,460
is probably true and then there's

2478
01:43:53,380 --> 01:43:51,380
another gradation of things that I I

2479
01:43:54,979 --> 01:43:53,390
speculate and I think are interesting

2480
01:43:57,530 --> 01:43:54,989
and maybe true

2481
01:43:59,540 --> 01:43:57,540
and other things that are just BS I put

2482
01:44:03,940 --> 01:43:59,550
the secret space program in the second

2483
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:03,950
level so I think that there are enough

2484
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,110
compelling data bits data points that

2485
01:44:11,780 --> 01:44:09,600
have come to me over the years that

2486
01:44:14,660 --> 01:44:11,790
convinced me that persuade me that this

2487
01:44:19,190 --> 01:44:14,670
is the case that's right but then but

2488
01:44:21,020 --> 01:44:19,200
proving it no I mean not yet now maybe

2489
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,030
in the next decade maybe in the next two

2490
01:44:25,130 --> 01:44:23,520
decades things may change and the reason

2491
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:25,140
they may change is that we're now in an

2492
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:28,880
era where it seems to be becoming easier

2493
01:44:33,530 --> 01:44:32,010
for entities other than just the US

2494
01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:33,540
government and NASA to get out into

2495
01:44:37,459 --> 01:44:35,940
space we're talking not just other

2496
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:37,469
countries but we're talking private

2497
01:44:44,209 --> 01:44:40,080
entities as well and if that trend

2498
01:44:45,650 --> 01:44:44,219
continues it's quite possible that we'll

2499
01:44:47,900 --> 01:44:45,660
get other data points that are much more

2500
01:44:49,580 --> 01:44:47,910
compelling you know we have to think of

2501
01:44:51,770 --> 01:44:49,590
all the people right now who are doing

2502
01:44:54,500 --> 01:44:51,780
that like one of the cofounders of

2503
01:44:57,140 --> 01:44:54,510
PayPal the place where you know you send

2504
01:45:00,680 --> 01:44:57,150
money and everything he's got a company

2505
01:45:01,580 --> 01:45:00,690
that's sending crap into space and maybe

2506
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:01,590
hmm

2507
01:45:07,100 --> 01:45:04,800
maybe that's where our next real trip

2508
01:45:09,620 --> 01:45:07,110
public trip as opposed to any private or

2509
01:45:11,660 --> 01:45:09,630
secret trip our public trip to the moon

2510
01:45:14,150 --> 01:45:11,670
and elsewhere may come from Richard

2511
01:45:16,490 --> 01:45:14,160
Dolan discussing the national security

2512
01:45:19,900 --> 01:45:16,500
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2513
01:45:28,129 --> 01:45:19,910
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2514
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2515
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2516
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2517
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2529
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2530
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2531
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:11,489
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2532
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2533
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2534
01:46:18,260 --> 01:46:16,500
bank having a led back at interest

2535
01:46:19,970 --> 01:46:18,270
forcing taxes to service debt this

2536
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:19,980
capitalism what was Jefferson correct

2537
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:21,600
when stating a central bank issuing the

2538
01:46:24,350 --> 01:46:23,250
public currency is a greater menace to

2539
01:46:25,729 --> 01:46:24,360
the liberties of the people than a

2540
01:46:27,140 --> 01:46:25,739
standing army today I understand I'm

2541
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:27,150
placing a free silver dollar in a book

2542
01:46:32,450 --> 01:46:29,010
that explains our monetary system call

2543
01:46:35,629 --> 01:46:32,460
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

2544
01:46:40,729 --> 01:46:35,639
to understand the system call 866 to 237

2545
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:40,739
that's 800 686 to 237 we live in a

2546
01:46:45,050 --> 01:46:43,290
complicated society stressful issues are

2547
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:45,060
always popping up have you ever been

2548
01:46:49,129 --> 01:46:47,010
treated unfairly by someone have you

2549
01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:49,139
ever been overcharged for repair have

2550
01:46:53,629 --> 01:46:51,119
you ever signed a contract or a document

2551
01:46:55,010 --> 01:46:53,639
worried about identity theft how many

2552
01:46:57,080 --> 01:46:55,020
times have you been in those unique

2553
01:46:58,640 --> 01:46:57,090
situations where you just wanted to call

2554
01:47:00,859 --> 01:46:58,650
an attorney to find out if you're right

2555
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:00,869
or wrong or what your legal rights are

2556
01:47:04,250 --> 01:47:02,730
but every time you think about calling

2557
01:47:06,859 --> 01:47:04,260
an attorney what do you think about

2558
01:47:09,410 --> 01:47:06,869
first that's right who do you call and

2559
01:47:11,689 --> 01:47:09,420
how much will it cost our friends at

2560
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2561
01:47:17,090 --> 01:47:14,610
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2562
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2563
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,440
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2564
01:47:24,020 --> 01:47:21,600
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2565
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:24,030
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2566
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:25,920
to legal shield on everything from the

2567
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:28,080
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2568
01:47:32,689 --> 01:47:30,330
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2569
01:47:35,419 --> 01:47:32,699
protection calm that's a less protection

2570
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:35,429
calm or call eight five five three four

2571
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:37,770
zero save eight five five three four

2572
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:49,810
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2573
01:48:02,410 --> 01:47:54,130
standard of paranormal radio and now

2574
01:48:05,470 --> 01:48:02,420
here's Jane Steinberg let's continue

2575
01:48:08,230 --> 01:48:05,480
with Richard Dolan author of the

2576
01:48:10,570 --> 01:48:08,240
two-part series out of three UFOs in the

2577
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:10,580
national security state a third book

2578
01:48:18,490 --> 01:48:14,810
promise for 2014 well I'll work on it in

2579
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:18,500
2014 if it's on the up you be a happy

2580
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:20,690
guy it's one of those projects like

2581
01:48:24,610 --> 01:48:22,970
Chris's book stalking the herd where you

2582
01:48:26,890 --> 01:48:24,620
start tackling the project

2583
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:26,900
you realize to do it justice it just

2584
01:48:31,870 --> 01:48:28,880
takes a lot more work that's putting it

2585
01:48:33,850 --> 01:48:31,880
very well you know for years I've had

2586
01:48:35,170 --> 01:48:33,860
the bulk of my research on volume three

2587
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:35,180
done it's um

2588
01:48:39,490 --> 01:48:37,730
so it's not really a matter of gathering

2589
01:48:42,010 --> 01:48:39,500
the data I have to do some research in

2590
01:48:43,210 --> 01:48:42,020
the last five six years but that that's

2591
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:43,220
not gonna be too hard I know where I'm

2592
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:45,440
gonna get all of that it's just a matter

2593
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:48,050
of putting it all together organizing it

2594
01:48:52,990 --> 01:48:50,090
because you know as Chris knows these

2595
01:48:54,190 --> 01:48:53,000
written books to do a book write really

2596
01:48:56,710 --> 01:48:54,200
it's two different things you have to

2597
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:56,720
get your data and that's that's a hard

2598
01:48:59,740 --> 01:48:57,920
thing right there you got to do your

2599
01:49:00,970 --> 01:48:59,750
research you got to get all your stuff

2600
01:49:03,370 --> 01:49:00,980
together but then the other thing is you

2601
01:49:05,110 --> 01:49:03,380
have to organize it and tell the story

2602
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:05,120
in a way that's actually gonna make

2603
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:07,730
sense and be engaging and when with my

2604
01:49:10,090 --> 01:49:08,330
topic

2605
01:49:13,660 --> 01:49:10,100
I mean I'm dealing with the last 20 25

2606
01:49:15,970 --> 01:49:13,670
years now of UFO history we just think

2607
01:49:18,660 --> 01:49:15,980
about how much that is I'm gonna try to

2608
01:49:21,670 --> 01:49:18,670
cram it all into 600 pages huge and

2609
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:21,680
right so breaking it all down to weeding

2610
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:23,330
out deciding what goes in what doesn't

2611
01:49:27,610 --> 01:49:25,040
go in how do I what's the right

2612
01:49:29,950 --> 01:49:27,620
proportion for this story and for that

2613
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:29,960
theme and so forth and I actually I

2614
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:32,810
enjoy that aspect of writing a book but

2615
01:49:37,780 --> 01:49:36,050
it's man it's a lot of work does it seem

2616
01:49:39,820 --> 01:49:37,790
to you as if there's going to have to be

2617
01:49:48,220 --> 01:49:39,830
a fourth volume to make it work on my

2618
01:49:50,890 --> 01:49:48,230
god what I want to do is I mean I think

2619
01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:50,900
if I go from 92 to the present that's a

2620
01:49:55,570 --> 01:49:52,880
little more than 20 years that's roughly

2621
01:49:57,790 --> 01:49:55,580
the same span of time as my first two

2622
01:49:59,060 --> 01:49:57,800
books and I should be able to handle it

2623
01:50:02,300 --> 01:49:59,070
in 600 pages

2624
01:50:05,450 --> 01:50:02,310
or so now there will be a world beyond

2625
01:50:08,180 --> 01:50:05,460
that as we lurch toward our dystopian

2626
01:50:10,220 --> 01:50:08,190
nightmare of a future and maybe in

2627
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:10,230
another 20 years I'm still kicking out

2628
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:13,530
I'll kick out the fourth volume but not

2629
01:50:19,310 --> 01:50:16,410
this time Chris any more questions ton

2630
01:50:22,250 --> 01:50:19,320
of questions Tek doum HT has a good one

2631
01:50:24,740 --> 01:50:22,260
he's one of our newer posters at forum

2632
01:50:26,810 --> 01:50:24,750
doctor para cast comm firstly thanks you

2633
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:26,820
for coming on the para cast and he this

2634
01:50:30,290 --> 01:50:28,170
is a pretty interesting question given

2635
01:50:31,970 --> 01:50:30,300
the long history of lying deception and

2636
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:31,980
abuse of power by members of the US

2637
01:50:36,020 --> 01:50:33,930
government and it gives the examples of

2638
01:50:39,050 --> 01:50:36,030
the Gulf of Tonkin incident the Tuskegee

2639
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:39,060
experiments MKULTRA and the government's

2640
01:50:43,580 --> 01:50:41,010
willingness to use whatever means to

2641
01:50:45,620 --> 01:50:43,590
achieve their ends what methods do you

2642
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:45,630
use to distinguish between government

2643
01:50:50,270 --> 01:50:47,250
insiders providing you with real

2644
01:50:52,430 --> 01:50:50,280
information as opposed to disinformation

2645
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:52,440
agents who are trying to possibly work

2646
01:50:58,130 --> 01:50:54,960
psyops on you or or dissuade you from

2647
01:50:59,630 --> 01:50:58,140
going down a particular path yeah great

2648
01:51:02,480 --> 01:50:59,640
question that's that's a stellar

2649
01:51:05,450 --> 01:51:02,490
question and the short answer is there's

2650
01:51:07,790 --> 01:51:05,460
no short way to know the longer answer I

2651
01:51:10,460 --> 01:51:07,800
guess is you know you do your research

2652
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:10,470
the way anyone would would do the

2653
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:11,970
research which is you you go for

2654
01:51:17,630 --> 01:51:14,850
corroboration you go for you know you

2655
01:51:20,420 --> 01:51:17,640
have a skeleton of known facts let's

2656
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:20,430
just say like a body and it's like an

2657
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:22,410
architecture of knowledge as I sometimes

2658
01:51:27,260 --> 01:51:25,050
think of it and so if I get a data point

2659
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:27,270
from someone that doesn't fit that's

2660
01:51:30,350 --> 01:51:28,770
like way out there I have to wonder

2661
01:51:34,430 --> 01:51:30,360
about I think it does this make sense

2662
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:34,440
that it does not make sense if I get

2663
01:51:37,730 --> 01:51:35,970
another data point that says the same

2664
01:51:39,650 --> 01:51:37,740
thing or then a third and a fourth then

2665
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:39,660
then I'm at the point where I think

2666
01:51:46,220 --> 01:51:41,970
let's take a look at this and see is

2667
01:51:48,260 --> 01:51:46,230
this legit or not my basic mode in this

2668
01:51:49,970 --> 01:51:48,270
field despite the fact that I'm have

2669
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:49,980
very happy to speculate despite the fact

2670
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:51,690
that I I don't mind giving my opinions

2671
01:51:58,610 --> 01:51:54,650
my basic mode is one of caution and

2672
01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:58,620
conservatism that is I try to be as

2673
01:52:05,900 --> 01:52:01,920
factually based in telling my histories

2674
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:05,910
as I can be given that that any work of

2675
01:52:13,850 --> 01:52:10,650
history every work of history is

2676
01:52:15,140 --> 01:52:13,860
provisional and his subject by

2677
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:15,150
subsequent generations that we

2678
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:17,250
reinterpreted and corrected and that

2679
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:19,290
that had better be true with my book I

2680
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:23,370
certainly hope that people you know in

2681
01:52:27,020 --> 01:52:25,199
the future don't just say Oh Dolan's

2682
01:52:29,209 --> 01:52:27,030
book is that that's the word on UFOs I

2683
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:29,219
mean my god it can't be so there have to

2684
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:31,199
be other researchers coming along

2685
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:33,330
correcting what I've done and then

2686
01:52:39,050 --> 01:52:36,719
researchers after them and all I can say

2687
01:52:40,430 --> 01:52:39,060
is you do your best you use your

2688
01:52:42,169 --> 01:52:40,440
training to the best you've ability it's

2689
01:52:44,740 --> 01:52:42,179
like any lawyer like any investigator

2690
01:52:47,919 --> 01:52:44,750
you do your best and that's really

2691
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:47,929
that's really all that I can say I

2692
01:52:52,130 --> 01:52:50,159
thought that that question was going to

2693
01:52:54,770 --> 01:52:52,140
be given the government's propensity for

2694
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:54,780
lying what makes me think that they'll

2695
01:52:59,020 --> 01:52:56,880
one day ever be openness on UFOs that

2696
01:53:01,340 --> 01:52:59,030
the government will never tell the truth

2697
01:53:03,770 --> 01:53:01,350
considering that I I co-authored a book

2698
01:53:05,390 --> 01:53:03,780
the dealing with government disclosure

2699
01:53:07,790 --> 01:53:05,400
on UFOs that's what I was expecting and

2700
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,800
to that I'll simply say of course the

2701
01:53:11,570 --> 01:53:10,080
government won't tell the truth UFOs

2702
01:53:12,979 --> 01:53:11,580
even if they're pressed as a wall

2703
01:53:14,899 --> 01:53:12,989
they're not gonna tell the truth on UFOs

2704
01:53:17,149 --> 01:53:14,909
you know the interesting thing about

2705
01:53:19,850 --> 01:53:17,159
disclosure if we can use that word is

2706
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:19,860
not that it's going to force the truth

2707
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:23,010
out on UFOs it's that it will make this

2708
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:26,489
topic fair game for public inquiry and

2709
01:53:31,370 --> 01:53:29,130
it'll give us opportunity right it'll

2710
01:53:34,250 --> 01:53:31,380
give us an opportunity globally for

2711
01:53:36,050 --> 01:53:34,260
other smart people to dive in and come

2712
01:53:37,610 --> 01:53:36,060
up with some investigative journalism so

2713
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:37,620
that's the difference at this closure

2714
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:40,800
we'll make that also dovetails into the

2715
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:43,290
realm of other countries gaining more

2716
01:53:46,939 --> 01:53:44,850
and more of a foothold into space and

2717
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,949
private enterprise who knows what the

2718
01:53:50,540 --> 01:53:49,199
Chinese might find going to the moon for

2719
01:53:52,430 --> 01:53:50,550
instance and that was put them in a

2720
01:53:55,340 --> 01:53:52,440
position of power they could possibly

2721
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:55,350
find something worthy of disclosure that

2722
01:53:59,149 --> 01:53:57,360
then they could use as a bargaining chip

2723
01:53:59,720 --> 01:53:59,159
or some sort of leverage over the US

2724
01:54:02,149 --> 01:53:59,730
government

2725
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:02,159
I wonder oh that's it's getting it's

2726
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:05,520
getting more and more interesting and

2727
01:54:10,370 --> 01:54:08,250
complicated I think as we see more and

2728
01:54:11,660 --> 01:54:10,380
more entities going out into space now

2729
01:54:13,790 --> 01:54:11,670
you mentioned the word disclosure we

2730
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:13,800
have a couple of questions that that are

2731
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:16,800
kind of interesting in that you're you

2732
01:54:23,399 --> 01:54:20,810
seem to be willing to go on shows and

2733
01:54:26,219 --> 01:54:23,409
and talk about your work

2734
01:54:27,810 --> 01:54:26,229
in venues that some of the rank-and-file

2735
01:54:31,259 --> 01:54:27,820
some of the more heavy hitters in the

2736
01:54:33,719 --> 01:54:31,269
middle are a little bit a little bit

2737
01:54:35,849 --> 01:54:33,729
nervous about for instance Dave Hamm

2738
01:54:37,770 --> 01:54:35,859
says well do you think these are taking

2739
01:54:40,169 --> 01:54:37,780
less seriously if you associate yourself

2740
01:54:42,419 --> 01:54:40,179
with Stephen Bassett another question is

2741
01:54:44,279 --> 01:54:42,429
the trained observer says he thinks she

2742
01:54:45,899 --> 01:54:44,289
took a larger hit to your credibility by

2743
01:54:50,310 --> 01:54:45,909
associating yourself with Project

2744
01:54:53,669 --> 01:54:50,320
Camelot and Kerry Cassidy that's a on

2745
01:54:57,739 --> 01:54:53,679
the twins that shall not be named where

2746
01:54:59,790 --> 01:54:57,749
do you come down how do you twins align

2747
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,800
the twins that shall not be named I

2748
01:55:03,779 --> 01:55:01,840
don't know even though those are the

2749
01:55:05,129 --> 01:55:03,789
twins that shall not be named well we

2750
01:55:07,500 --> 01:55:05,139
don't we don't like to give them any

2751
01:55:09,989 --> 01:55:07,510
sort of Blake cousins and his his

2752
01:55:12,419 --> 01:55:09,999
brother oh that one I was just waiting

2753
01:55:14,969 --> 01:55:12,429
to shout nasty names yeah okay well that

2754
01:55:17,310 --> 01:55:14,979
that one I can just say that was my own

2755
01:55:20,399 --> 01:55:17,320
my own ignorance and stupidity yes it's

2756
01:55:22,529 --> 01:55:20,409
true I have gaps in my knowledge I get I

2757
01:55:26,339 --> 01:55:22,539
get radio interview requests all the

2758
01:55:27,719 --> 01:55:26,349
time all the time all the time and most

2759
01:55:29,819 --> 01:55:27,729
of the people who contact me I don't

2760
01:55:30,810 --> 01:55:29,829
know who the hell they are I honestly I

2761
01:55:32,609 --> 01:55:30,820
can't keep up

2762
01:55:34,439 --> 01:55:32,619
I'm working in my own little private

2763
01:55:36,299 --> 01:55:34,449
Idaho I've got my own things going on so

2764
01:55:38,429 --> 01:55:36,309
I get an interview request and I

2765
01:55:40,319 --> 01:55:38,439
actually will plead ignorance I

2766
01:55:42,389 --> 01:55:40,329
literally did not know Blake cousins was

2767
01:55:44,969 --> 01:55:42,399
you can laugh at me all you want

2768
01:55:48,419 --> 01:55:44,979
I'll take laughter I'll deserve it but

2769
01:55:52,349 --> 01:55:48,429
with you rich was so I I do this

2770
01:55:54,270 --> 01:55:52,359
interview and the funny thing about that

2771
01:55:57,989 --> 01:55:54,280
is like I'm doing this interview it was

2772
01:56:02,250 --> 01:55:57,999
the most bizarre whacked-out hit with

2773
01:56:05,069 --> 01:56:02,260
the dumbest questions the dumbest stupid

2774
01:56:07,919 --> 01:56:05,079
questions and I just said well who is

2775
01:56:10,589 --> 01:56:07,929
this guy and I got so angry I got so

2776
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:10,599
angry as a result of that and then the

2777
01:56:16,679 --> 01:56:14,050
guy who set it up he the kid he

2778
01:56:19,259 --> 01:56:16,689
apologized my god I said how do you not

2779
01:56:20,489 --> 01:56:19,269
know the reputation been here so that's

2780
01:56:22,139 --> 01:56:20,499
this the Blake cuz of things and I'll

2781
01:56:23,449 --> 01:56:22,149
take the blame for that fine whatever I

2782
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:23,459
really care

2783
01:56:28,319 --> 01:56:25,599
Steve bad I'll talk about Stephen

2784
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:28,329
Bassett listen I've got Stephen for many

2785
01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:38,860
catches so much hell I understand but I

2786
01:56:44,530 --> 01:56:41,840
like Stephen personally I'll always like

2787
01:56:50,950 --> 01:56:44,540
him personally and it's assuming

2788
01:56:54,700 --> 01:56:50,960
whatever the ex conferences are I I got

2789
01:56:57,790 --> 01:56:54,710
on Stephens case years ago when we

2790
01:57:00,550 --> 01:56:57,800
talked about this well the the thing I

2791
01:57:03,820 --> 01:57:00,560
got in Stephens case about was is at the

2792
01:57:06,820 --> 01:57:03,830
time his promotion of Alfred Weber right

2793
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:06,830
I was I you know I don't think I've ever

2794
01:57:09,610 --> 01:57:08,210
talked about this publicly I'll talk

2795
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:09,620
with you guys not publicly but you and I

2796
01:57:13,330 --> 01:57:11,570
did talk about this a little bit each

2797
01:57:15,580 --> 01:57:13,340
other last we've got to a break

2798
01:57:17,770 --> 01:57:15,590
Richard so I want or maybe hold this for

2799
01:57:20,140 --> 01:57:17,780
the next segment how's that okay yeah

2800
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:20,150
sure okay this is fascinating more of

2801
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this discussion continuing things you

2802
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never heard before things he hasn't

2803
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mentioned in public before and maybe

2804
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hooroo the day after this Richard Dolan

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he does that good yeah yeah it's I think

2900
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it's between you and Nick Nick because

2901
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he's so bizarre but you you sound like a

2902
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real broadcaster when you do it oh sweet

2903
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well I have a nice microphone here a

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little windscreen I got the whole thing

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02:02:18,869 --> 02:02:16,780
going up

2906
02:02:22,619 --> 02:02:18,879
what kind of mic do you have that's a

2907
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Yeti oh that's what Chris is using yeah

2908
02:02:25,889 --> 02:02:24,159
I love this man this is yeah that's a

2909
02:02:27,569 --> 02:02:25,899
great mic it's the best I'm using the

2910
02:02:29,879 --> 02:02:27,579
Yeti probe because I could ride through

2911
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:29,889
an analog mixer alright Richard Dolan

2912
02:02:35,580 --> 02:02:32,169
joining us with his Yeti it's the

2913
02:02:37,859 --> 02:02:35,590
appropriate mic to use on a paranormal

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radio show exactly there can be no

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others from a company called boom mic

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they did not buy advertising here but

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they should you are going to tell us

2918
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here we were getting into your

2919
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interactions with Steven Bassett yeah

2920
02:02:53,790 --> 02:02:51,639
and some of the side issues let's hear

2921
02:02:57,060 --> 02:02:53,800
what you never told before in pop well

2922
02:02:58,589 --> 02:02:57,070
well I'll just say is Steven is the

2923
02:03:01,889 --> 02:02:58,599
ultimate what we call big tent

2924
02:03:04,979 --> 02:03:01,899
ufology guy he really is and he has his

2925
02:03:06,659 --> 02:03:04,989
perspective on how to move this field

2926
02:03:08,129 --> 02:03:06,669
forward there are certain things that he

2927
02:03:09,149 --> 02:03:08,139
does that I do agree with other things

2928
02:03:12,270 --> 02:03:09,159
he's said over here is that I don't

2929
02:03:14,939 --> 02:03:12,280
agree with one of them is in his ex

2930
02:03:17,850 --> 02:03:14,949
conferences which overall I'm giving

2931
02:03:19,889 --> 02:03:17,860
this man credit for organizing I think

2932
02:03:22,409 --> 02:03:19,899
he did 6 or 7.x conference six of them

2933
02:03:24,419 --> 02:03:22,419
at least and by the way I'm the only

2934
02:03:26,569 --> 02:03:24,429
person it was an invited speaker to

2935
02:03:29,189 --> 02:03:26,579
every one of his ex conferences I'm I

2936
02:03:32,250 --> 02:03:29,199
think that's I'm proud of that actually

2937
02:03:35,399 --> 02:03:32,260
and and I think all of them had

2938
02:03:37,169 --> 02:03:35,409
something to offer and the idea that he

2939
02:03:39,239 --> 02:03:37,179
had of going to the National Press Club

2940
02:03:43,500 --> 02:03:39,249
in the aftermath of those X conferences

2941
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:43,510
I also think was a laudable idea and you

2942
02:03:46,469 --> 02:03:45,129
know we can look back on to think well

2943
02:03:47,839 --> 02:03:46,479
that's just tiresome you know every

2944
02:03:51,719 --> 02:03:47,849
single year but you know think about

2945
02:03:54,179 --> 02:03:51,729
initiating this and trying to make a

2946
02:03:57,709 --> 02:03:54,189
mainstream breakthrough and it no it

2947
02:04:00,959 --> 02:03:57,719
didn't happen but I I think it's a

2948
02:04:01,410 --> 02:04:00,969
totally worthy idea but but the thing

2949
02:04:05,250 --> 02:04:01,420
with

2950
02:04:07,740 --> 02:04:05,260
he can one of the early ones I think an

2951
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:07,750
oath four oh five or six whenever he

2952
02:04:11,790 --> 02:04:09,730
gave Alfred a Lifetime Achievement Award

2953
02:04:15,060 --> 02:04:11,800
and I I said to him privately you know

2954
02:04:17,310 --> 02:04:15,070
don't be doing a wrong thing you do not

2955
02:04:19,439 --> 02:04:17,320
encourage this man because really all

2956
02:04:22,140 --> 02:04:19,449
that he is a lightning rod to make this

2957
02:04:23,700 --> 02:04:22,150
field look like it like a bunch of fools

2958
02:04:25,020 --> 02:04:23,710
every time we did the press conference

2959
02:04:26,939 --> 02:04:25,030
when Alfred was there the Washington

2960
02:04:30,150 --> 02:04:26,949
Post only wanted to talk to him why

2961
02:04:32,729 --> 02:04:30,160
because he sounded he sounded crazy

2962
02:04:34,439 --> 02:04:32,739
that's why but Stephen had this idea

2963
02:04:37,830 --> 02:04:34,449
that Alfred initiated the idea of EXO

2964
02:04:39,630 --> 02:04:37,840
politics it's kind of a sexy word and he

2965
02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:39,640
wanted to have that kind of as the new

2966
02:04:45,630 --> 02:04:41,679
thing he didn't like you follow gee okay

2967
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:45,640
whatever and I really feel honestly that

2968
02:04:51,090 --> 02:04:48,370
he was not fully conversant with

2969
02:04:52,530 --> 02:04:51,100
Alfred's ideas I think he thought it was

2970
02:04:56,070 --> 02:04:52,540
a great title he said let's bring him in

2971
02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:56,080
and it just turned out not to be a good

2972
02:04:58,530 --> 02:04:56,650
idea

2973
02:05:00,330 --> 02:04:58,540
but no I don't think that I lose

2974
02:05:02,100 --> 02:05:00,340
credibility by associating with Stephen

2975
02:05:03,720 --> 02:05:02,110
Bassett now if someone wants the thing

2976
02:05:06,419 --> 02:05:03,730
that they can think what they want now

2977
02:05:08,729 --> 02:05:06,429
the whole thing with Camelot this makes

2978
02:05:10,410 --> 02:05:08,739
me laugh and we've talked about this on

2979
02:05:11,930 --> 02:05:10,420
on this show in the past by the way and

2980
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:11,940
I'll just deal with it again

2981
02:05:16,350 --> 02:05:14,320
people love Camelot they hate Camelot

2982
02:05:19,790 --> 02:05:16,360
whatever do I care no I don't care

2983
02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:19,800
here's why because when I did to Camelot

2984
02:05:26,729 --> 02:05:23,890
conferences alright that put me in a

2985
02:05:28,590 --> 02:05:26,739
completely new audience and by the way

2986
02:05:30,750 --> 02:05:28,600
the YouTube videos that I have with

2987
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:30,760
Camelot have more views than almost

2988
02:05:36,060 --> 02:05:32,560
anything else I've ever done no yeah

2989
02:05:37,290 --> 02:05:36,070
it's opening up a huge like it's screw

2990
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:37,300
them I really don't care if someone

2991
02:05:41,939 --> 02:05:40,239
likes it or doesn't I made the decision

2992
02:05:45,870 --> 02:05:41,949
very consciously and I'd make it again

2993
02:05:49,590 --> 02:05:45,880
what I try to do is I say my piece I

2994
02:05:51,870 --> 02:05:49,600
don't change what I say depending on

2995
02:05:54,930 --> 02:05:51,880
where I'm at I absolutely don't do that

2996
02:05:57,330 --> 02:05:54,940
I will modify what I say to speak to a

2997
02:05:59,850 --> 02:05:57,340
particular audience that I think is

2998
02:06:01,890 --> 02:05:59,860
going to be listening because what I'm

2999
02:06:04,229 --> 02:06:01,900
trying to do at all times and is

3000
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:04,239
whenever I do anything publicly I try to

3001
02:06:08,160 --> 02:06:06,010
be mindful of who I'm speaking to and

3002
02:06:10,350 --> 02:06:08,170
what I can do to turn on as many light

3003
02:06:12,630 --> 02:06:10,360
bulbs over people's heads as I can so to

3004
02:06:14,339 --> 02:06:12,640
do that I can't just borrow myself away

3005
02:06:16,290 --> 02:06:14,349
into my own little cave

3006
02:06:17,729 --> 02:06:16,300
and speak only to those people that I

3007
02:06:19,859 --> 02:06:17,739
think are the most credible or that will

3008
02:06:21,179 --> 02:06:19,869
make me you know feel more comfortable

3009
02:06:23,729 --> 02:06:21,189
that I agree with these people it's

3010
02:06:28,020 --> 02:06:23,739
nonsense it's a big world out there we

3011
02:06:30,929 --> 02:06:28,030
don't all agree and by the way my ideas

3012
02:06:32,849 --> 02:06:30,939
have continued to evolve in this field

3013
02:06:34,679 --> 02:06:32,859
and that doesn't mean that I'm I'm all

3014
02:06:36,779 --> 02:06:34,689
mr. new-age in fact I have a real

3015
02:06:39,779 --> 02:06:36,789
serious problem with a lot of new agent

3016
02:06:42,330 --> 02:06:39,789
filtration in our field but it's there

3017
02:06:44,339 --> 02:06:42,340
I'm not going to engage these people if

3018
02:06:45,779 --> 02:06:44,349
I just run away from every opportunity

3019
02:06:47,699 --> 02:06:45,789
from dealing with them so no I'm not

3020
02:06:49,379 --> 02:06:47,709
going to apologize for that at all I

3021
02:06:50,969 --> 02:06:49,389
think what these critics need to

3022
02:06:51,449 --> 02:06:50,979
understand is that it's a big world out

3023
02:06:53,879 --> 02:06:51,459
there

3024
02:06:57,259 --> 02:06:53,889
it's like politics you know politics

3025
02:07:00,239 --> 02:06:57,269
makes strange bedfellows of us of us and

3026
02:07:03,029 --> 02:07:00,249
that's just how it is I'm not in a

3027
02:07:06,149 --> 02:07:03,039
position where I feel like I'm just

3028
02:07:08,580 --> 02:07:06,159
going to only associate with those

3029
02:07:10,229 --> 02:07:08,590
people that have my highest level of

3030
02:07:12,659 --> 02:07:10,239
respect I want to go out there and get

3031
02:07:14,429 --> 02:07:12,669
my hands dirty and talk to a lot of

3032
02:07:16,619 --> 02:07:14,439
people because there's a lot of work to

3033
02:07:18,599 --> 02:07:16,629
be done well you're also a businessman

3034
02:07:20,279 --> 02:07:18,609
running a publishing company too so

3035
02:07:22,939 --> 02:07:20,289
there are some commercial concerns as

3036
02:07:26,250 --> 02:07:22,949
well which you we need to obviously

3037
02:07:29,819 --> 02:07:26,260
acknowledge as far as that no I mean

3038
02:07:32,639 --> 02:07:29,829
what I would say is I will not publish a

3039
02:07:35,599 --> 02:07:32,649
book that I think is is not a standard

3040
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:35,609
that I consider to be like a high

3041
02:07:40,799 --> 02:07:38,050
valuable book oh yeah absolutely I

3042
02:07:43,589 --> 02:07:40,809
understand that but what I was going up

3043
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:43,599
new markets and new a new section of the

3044
02:07:48,869 --> 02:07:46,719
audience yeah I mean look if everyone

3045
02:07:50,459 --> 02:07:48,879
agreed with me about how the world is

3046
02:07:52,739 --> 02:07:50,469
you that would be wonderful for me but

3047
02:07:54,750 --> 02:07:52,749
that's that doesn't happen so I have to

3048
02:07:56,189 --> 02:07:54,760
go out there and talk to people who

3049
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,199
don't agree with me you know look at the

3050
02:08:00,540 --> 02:07:58,239
world the way I do and I'm not going to

3051
02:08:02,699 --> 02:08:00,550
run away from that I will I will do them

3052
02:08:04,770 --> 02:08:02,709
I'll show them enough respect to speak

3053
02:08:07,139 --> 02:08:04,780
to them and to disagree with them and to

3054
02:08:09,239 --> 02:08:07,149
offer my own point of view you know when

3055
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:09,249
I gave my my talks at Camelot and I did

3056
02:08:14,310 --> 02:08:11,199
a couple of other even more out there

3057
02:08:16,259 --> 02:08:14,320
truly new agey you love fests but I was

3058
02:08:19,229 --> 02:08:16,269
invited you and I were involved in one

3059
02:08:21,899 --> 02:08:19,239
did the UFO con thing we could talk

3060
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:21,909
Deitrick I would be very happy to chat

3061
02:08:26,399 --> 02:08:24,159
about that too by the way but go into

3062
02:08:28,740 --> 02:08:26,409
these environments I think it's

3063
02:08:30,780 --> 02:08:28,750
important for people like ourselves

3064
02:08:33,060 --> 02:08:30,790
Challenge those people in the audience

3065
02:08:34,620 --> 02:08:33,070
and to challenge those people listening

3066
02:08:36,270 --> 02:08:34,630
with a different perspective that

3067
02:08:38,460 --> 02:08:36,280
they're not used to I do that and I know

3068
02:08:39,960 --> 02:08:38,470
you do that yeah oh yeah I was getting

3069
02:08:42,120 --> 02:08:39,970
up there preaching to the assembled

3070
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:42,130
masses and then new religion of the 21st

3071
02:08:46,290 --> 02:08:44,320
century

3072
02:08:48,270 --> 02:08:46,300
well speaking about your your points of

3073
02:08:49,710 --> 02:08:48,280
view and in your particular take on

3074
02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:49,720
things this is a good question from Jim

3075
02:08:55,230 --> 02:08:52,480
eh who's one of our newer posters at

3076
02:08:56,970 --> 02:08:55,240
forum dr. Peric ascom mr. Dolan I've

3077
02:08:58,530 --> 02:08:56,980
been listening to a few of your podcasts

3078
02:09:00,330 --> 02:08:58,540
and I really appreciate that you are not

3079
02:09:02,730 --> 02:09:00,340
afraid to go into deeper and rather

3080
02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:02,740
complex philosophical discussions about

3081
02:09:07,470 --> 02:09:05,170
the nature of reality and the power

3082
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:07,480
structures of society which thinkers and

3083
02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:09,610
writers inspired your own ideas about a

3084
02:09:13,190 --> 02:09:11,650
breakaway society and have you ever

3085
02:09:16,070 --> 02:09:13,200
tried to publish your ideas

3086
02:09:18,930 --> 02:09:16,080
philosophical or academic in those

3087
02:09:21,090 --> 02:09:18,940
academic type publications and have you

3088
02:09:23,310 --> 02:09:21,100
discussed these ideas with academics

3089
02:09:25,050 --> 02:09:23,320
people possibly outside of the field so

3090
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:25,060
he's talking specifically about the

3091
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:27,610
breakaway civilization idea or trying to

3092
02:09:32,100 --> 02:09:29,050
get an idea of what the exact question

3093
02:09:34,110 --> 02:09:32,110
is here well yeah in other words he he

3094
02:09:36,240 --> 02:09:34,120
wants to know who's in who inspired you

3095
02:09:38,100 --> 02:09:36,250
to really go in that direction which we

3096
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:38,110
really haven't we've kind of touched on

3097
02:09:44,190 --> 02:09:41,770
it here today but but I think he wants

3098
02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:44,200
to know where that particular point of

3099
02:09:48,570 --> 02:09:46,000
view really originated and who inspired

3100
02:09:50,940 --> 02:09:48,580
that or who kind of sparked your

3101
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:50,950
interest in this whole idea yeah well I

3102
02:09:54,780 --> 02:09:53,050
can I can tell him when the idea really

3103
02:09:57,960 --> 02:09:54,790
germinated with me and it was really

3104
02:09:59,880 --> 02:09:57,970
through oh seven oh eight no nine during

3105
02:10:02,130 --> 02:09:59,890
the homestretch when I was completing

3106
02:10:05,130 --> 02:10:02,140
the second volume of UFOs in the

3107
02:10:07,230 --> 02:10:05,140
national security state and it evolved

3108
02:10:09,450 --> 02:10:07,240
I'll tell you what about evolution that

3109
02:10:11,210 --> 02:10:09,460
we have to evolve into this announcement

3110
02:10:13,890 --> 02:10:11,220
first it's intense

3111
02:10:16,110 --> 02:10:13,900
that's the worst segue I've ever done

3112
02:10:18,900 --> 02:10:16,120
Richard Dolan Johnny gene and Chris

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3183
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:40,060
e.com home of the Berkey guy hi my name

3184
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:41,890
is Annette and due to menopause symptoms

3185
02:13:46,350 --> 02:13:44,890
for nearly two years I suffered severe

3186
02:13:48,870 --> 02:13:46,360
hot flashes which prevented me from

3187
02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:48,880
sleeping all night it was so hard to

3188
02:13:52,440 --> 02:13:50,560
work because it continued all day to

3189
02:13:55,530 --> 02:13:52,450
have the hot flashes from how I was

3190
02:13:57,780 --> 02:13:55,540
exhausted and depleted after only three

3191
02:13:59,700 --> 02:13:57,790
weeks on one world wait I have no hot

3192
02:14:03,030 --> 02:13:59,710
flashes and I'm sleeping normally again

3193
02:14:04,530 --> 02:14:03,040
I feel energized and strong this is an

3194
02:14:06,270 --> 02:14:04,540
amazing product it is a little-known

3195
02:14:08,070 --> 02:14:06,280
fact that every single cell of your body

3196
02:14:10,710 --> 02:14:08,080
is supposed to produce 10% of its

3197
02:14:13,290 --> 02:14:10,720
protein content as glutathione but due

3198
02:14:14,910 --> 02:14:13,300
to toxicity and aging it does not could

3199
02:14:16,710 --> 02:14:14,920
glutathione be a missing factor in

3200
02:14:18,600 --> 02:14:16,720
optimal cell function for your entire

3201
02:14:20,070 --> 02:14:18,610
body if you restore the optimal

3202
02:14:22,020 --> 02:14:20,080
glutathione levels in your cells

3203
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:22,030
especially your glands and organs then

3204
02:14:25,980 --> 02:14:23,920
as a result your glands and organs work

3205
02:14:27,750 --> 02:14:25,990
better imagine the quality of life

3206
02:14:29,670 --> 02:14:27,760
improvement you might have to order one

3207
02:14:31,590 --> 02:14:29,680
world way call eight eight eight nine

3208
02:14:35,310 --> 02:14:31,600
eight eight three three two five that's

3209
02:14:36,710 --> 02:14:35,320
8 8 8 9 8 8 3 3 to 5 or visit one world

3210
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:36,720
wacom that's

3211
02:14:44,060 --> 02:14:41,010
world wh ey comm hi this is nuclear

3212
02:14:47,540 --> 02:14:44,070
physicist lecturers and Friedman you are

3213
02:14:55,700 --> 02:14:47,550
listening to the parrot case the gold

3214
02:14:57,740 --> 02:14:55,710
standard a paranormal radio by the way

3215
02:15:00,500 --> 02:14:57,750
Richard Dolan has this new company

3216
02:15:01,580 --> 02:15:00,510
called Richard Dolan press and it's

3217
02:15:03,650 --> 02:15:01,590
going to be bringing out some

3218
02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:03,660
fascinating titles but we posed a

3219
02:15:07,970 --> 02:15:06,210
question to you Kristen yeah and you

3220
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:07,980
were in the process of beginning to

3221
02:15:11,990 --> 02:15:10,290
answer and now is your chance to finish

3222
02:15:15,170 --> 02:15:12,000
yeah so the idea of a breakaway

3223
02:15:18,250 --> 02:15:15,180
civilization I guess um there I can say

3224
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:18,260
that there was no one source or

3225
02:15:23,480 --> 02:15:20,490
inspiration that prompted me to think of

3226
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:23,490
it um that I can say because I I just

3227
02:15:29,120 --> 02:15:26,400
don't recall that there was any Joe

3228
02:15:31,490 --> 02:15:29,130
Farrell has has mentioned this in in

3229
02:15:33,770 --> 02:15:31,500
several of his books which came out

3230
02:15:36,050 --> 02:15:33,780
around that same time period followed on

3231
02:15:37,250 --> 02:15:36,060
what I was doing actually um I mean I

3232
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:37,260
know that I mean that's the phrase that

3233
02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:40,410
I coined I remember coining it and I I

3234
02:15:46,070 --> 02:15:43,890
posited the idea in one of the chapters

3235
02:15:47,420 --> 02:15:46,080
of my second volume of UFOs and national

3236
02:15:49,850 --> 02:15:47,430
security states at the very beginning of

3237
02:15:51,560 --> 02:15:49,860
chapter 9 actually where I really

3238
02:15:53,300 --> 02:15:51,570
started talking about it and know it was

3239
02:15:56,510 --> 02:15:53,310
something that actually I will say came

3240
02:15:58,370 --> 02:15:56,520
to me when I was trying to understand

3241
02:16:01,250 --> 02:15:58,380
what I call the structure of power

3242
02:16:05,990 --> 02:16:01,260
who's in charge how does it all work

3243
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:06,000
what is the likely result of decades and

3244
02:16:12,740 --> 02:16:09,290
generations of clandestine study of

3245
02:16:17,300 --> 02:16:12,750
exotic technology my my feeling and this

3246
02:16:19,340 --> 02:16:17,310
is only my theory based on what I think

3247
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:19,350
has happened which is that if you have

3248
02:16:25,220 --> 02:16:22,650
ever recovered any crash Richard crash

3249
02:16:25,790 --> 02:16:25,230
UFO technology if any of it has been

3250
02:16:27,770 --> 02:16:25,800
recovered

3251
02:16:31,160 --> 02:16:27,780
it is therefore being studied in secret

3252
02:16:34,010 --> 02:16:31,170
it is therefore subject to very severe

3253
02:16:37,100 --> 02:16:34,020
kind of secrecy protocols and the nature

3254
02:16:39,290 --> 02:16:37,110
of scientific development being what it

3255
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:39,300
is I this is how I see actually there's

3256
02:16:42,710 --> 02:16:40,890
one intellectual inspiration for

3257
02:16:44,410 --> 02:16:42,720
breakaway civilization actually and in

3258
02:16:47,090 --> 02:16:44,420
fact this is I was reading at the time

3259
02:16:50,060 --> 02:16:47,100
this is a long deceased historian named

3260
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:50,070
Arnold J Toynbee who wrote

3261
02:16:56,090 --> 02:16:53,210
long extended series of volumes on

3262
02:16:58,940 --> 02:16:56,100
called a study of civilization I happen

3263
02:17:01,460 --> 02:16:58,950
to have a condensed volume of join B's

3264
02:17:04,100 --> 02:17:01,470
study on my shelf and actually read a

3265
02:17:06,320 --> 02:17:04,110
lot of it it's the kind of tough going

3266
02:17:07,730 --> 02:17:06,330
but really what he did is he got me

3267
02:17:10,670 --> 02:17:07,740
thinking about what is a civilization

3268
02:17:13,340 --> 02:17:10,680
what constitutes a civilization and I

3269
02:17:15,230 --> 02:17:13,350
can tell you that in oh wait no 9 this

3270
02:17:16,820 --> 02:17:15,240
is a very big thought that was in my

3271
02:17:18,740 --> 02:17:16,830
head what is it that constitutes a

3272
02:17:20,810 --> 02:17:18,750
civilization when when I looked out over

3273
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:20,820
at the history of the Cold War one thing

3274
02:17:24,110 --> 02:17:22,170
that came through to me was that you had

3275
02:17:25,190 --> 02:17:24,120
separate scientific infrastructures so

3276
02:17:26,930 --> 02:17:25,200
you had the Soviet scientific

3277
02:17:28,250 --> 02:17:26,940
infrastructure where they were actually

3278
02:17:30,650 --> 02:17:28,260
doing totally different science some of

3279
02:17:32,840 --> 02:17:30,660
it was spurious nonsense science like

3280
02:17:35,480 --> 02:17:32,850
trophy and less stinko who had all of

3281
02:17:36,730 --> 02:17:35,490
these nonsensical theories of biology it

3282
02:17:38,900 --> 02:17:36,740
was a completely different

3283
02:17:41,780 --> 02:17:38,910
infrastructure from what was going on in

3284
02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:41,790
the West so you had these two so in

3285
02:17:46,070 --> 02:17:44,250
theory our history shows us that we

3286
02:17:48,740 --> 02:17:46,080
actually can have separate scientific

3287
02:17:53,870 --> 02:17:48,750
infrastructures kind of coexisting and

3288
02:17:56,270 --> 02:17:53,880
and it then came to me that that really

3289
02:17:59,240 --> 02:17:56,280
what the classified world probably has

3290
02:18:00,770 --> 02:17:59,250
is its own separate scientific

3291
02:18:02,570 --> 02:18:00,780
infrastructure why is that so impossible

3292
02:18:05,420 --> 02:18:02,580
we have this idea that it is impossible

3293
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:05,430
but I don't believe it I think that you

3294
02:18:08,810 --> 02:18:06,810
know some think it's highly probable

3295
02:18:10,670 --> 02:18:08,820
yeah I think some technologies can be

3296
02:18:13,310 --> 02:18:10,680
segwayed and into money-making

3297
02:18:15,500 --> 02:18:13,320
opportunities you know you improve on

3298
02:18:16,910 --> 02:18:15,510
your integrated circuits or fiber optics

3299
02:18:19,640 --> 02:18:16,920
or what-have-you but some some

3300
02:18:21,110 --> 02:18:19,650
breakthroughs are too valuable to share

3301
02:18:22,100 --> 02:18:21,120
with the rest of the world so if you

3302
02:18:23,541 --> 02:18:22,110
have a breakthrough the deals with

3303
02:18:25,700 --> 02:18:23,551
propulsion if you break through the deal

3304
02:18:27,260 --> 02:18:25,710
with energy that doesn't get shared with

3305
02:18:29,300 --> 02:18:27,270
the world that's too transformative too

3306
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:29,310
revolutionary and you continue studying

3307
02:18:33,050 --> 02:18:30,810
it on your own and you classify the

3308
02:18:35,330 --> 02:18:33,060
patents you classify the knowledge so

3309
02:18:37,730 --> 02:18:35,340
that it literally becomes illegal for

3310
02:18:40,190 --> 02:18:37,740
the outside world to study it you see

3311
02:18:41,650 --> 02:18:40,200
what that means is for the rest of the

3312
02:18:44,541 --> 02:18:41,660
world their futures being held hostage

3313
02:18:46,700 --> 02:18:44,551
but for the guys who are in with the

3314
02:18:48,860 --> 02:18:46,710
in-crowd in the black budget world they

3315
02:18:49,791 --> 02:18:48,870
can continue to work off of their

3316
02:18:51,980 --> 02:18:49,801
knowledge and make their own

3317
02:18:53,870 --> 02:18:51,990
developments and kind of jump way way

3318
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:53,880
way ahead of the rest of us because

3319
02:18:56,930 --> 02:18:55,770
that's how scientific demands like you

3320
02:18:58,340 --> 02:18:56,940
make one breakthrough that can lead to

3321
02:19:00,590 --> 02:18:58,350
another that can lead to another still

3322
02:19:02,990 --> 02:19:00,600
and so on but if we're prevented from it

3323
02:19:03,979 --> 02:19:03,000
and we're stuck spinning our wheels

3324
02:19:08,109 --> 02:19:03,989
essential

3325
02:19:12,199 --> 02:19:08,119
much more slowly while those who have

3326
02:19:14,599 --> 02:19:12,209
fundamentally different understandings

3327
02:19:17,659 --> 02:19:14,609
of science and reality they can wait go

3328
02:19:19,129 --> 02:19:17,669
far huge budgets I asked myself one day

3329
02:19:21,499 --> 02:19:19,139
does this constitute a separate

3330
02:19:23,689 --> 02:19:21,509
civilization can it with with different

3331
02:19:25,699 --> 02:19:23,699
levels of Technology different cosmology

3332
02:19:27,169 --> 02:19:25,709
that would allow them to may have

3333
02:19:29,239 --> 02:19:27,179
understandings of the world that the

3334
02:19:31,159 --> 02:19:29,249
rest of us poor slobs can't have because

3335
02:19:32,719 --> 02:19:31,169
we don't have the opportunity I think in

3336
02:19:34,429 --> 02:19:32,729
a sense that can qualify them as a

3337
02:19:37,429 --> 02:19:34,439
civilization that is broken away from

3338
02:19:39,169 --> 02:19:37,439
our own a separate civilization I wanted

3339
02:19:41,449 --> 02:19:39,179
to ask you here as we get to this kind

3340
02:19:43,459 --> 02:19:41,459
of subject here alright so maybe we have

3341
02:19:46,299 --> 02:19:43,469
a secret government in the u.s. but what

3342
02:19:50,119 --> 02:19:46,309
about the rest of the world are there

3343
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:50,129
organizations or portions of governments

3344
02:19:54,260 --> 02:19:51,810
around the world working behind the

3345
02:19:56,359 --> 02:19:54,270
scenes to enforce the secrecy yeah I

3346
02:19:59,539 --> 02:19:56,369
think so I mean what we you have is a

3347
02:20:01,429 --> 02:19:59,549
global system that's in place do we

3348
02:20:02,840 --> 02:20:01,439
think that I don't know France is any

3349
02:20:04,849 --> 02:20:02,850
different than the United States and how

3350
02:20:06,590 --> 02:20:04,859
the government is essentially managed

3351
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:06,600
from a national security point of view

3352
02:20:16,219 --> 02:20:10,890
or Britain or Germany or Russia for that

3353
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:16,229
matter or Australia or China you know

3354
02:20:20,510 --> 02:20:17,850
China maybe a little bit of a wild-card

3355
02:20:23,239 --> 02:20:20,520
but I don't think it's any fundamentally

3356
02:20:26,479 --> 02:20:23,249
different or India what you have our

3357
02:20:30,439 --> 02:20:26,489
systems in place we're powerful

3358
02:20:33,469 --> 02:20:30,449
interests decide a who's been a rule by

3359
02:20:36,319 --> 02:20:33,479
and large be what the primary national

3360
02:20:38,179 --> 02:20:36,329
security policies are going to be they

3361
02:20:41,929 --> 02:20:38,189
control they have as much control over

3362
02:20:44,599 --> 02:20:41,939
their classified doings as what you see

3363
02:20:46,189 --> 02:20:44,609
in the United States by and large and so

3364
02:20:48,229 --> 02:20:46,199
where does that control come from are

3365
02:20:50,420 --> 02:20:48,239
they all separate competing little

3366
02:20:52,189 --> 02:20:50,430
intelligence communities no I don't

3367
02:20:55,130 --> 02:20:52,199
think so at all what we have is a global

3368
02:20:56,989 --> 02:20:55,140
system that's developing I don't think

3369
02:20:59,989 --> 02:20:56,999
it's it's fully developed it's fully

3370
02:21:01,880 --> 02:20:59,999
formed but it's clearly in the process

3371
02:21:03,529 --> 02:21:01,890
of being developed so this is why I keep

3372
02:21:05,510 --> 02:21:03,539
coming back to it we have to understand

3373
02:21:07,369 --> 02:21:05,520
what is the true structure of power here

3374
02:21:08,929 --> 02:21:07,379
on planet earth it's not a system of

3375
02:21:12,260 --> 02:21:08,939
these separate countries sovereign

3376
02:21:15,829 --> 02:21:12,270
nations duking it out like you know in

3377
02:21:17,240 --> 02:21:15,839
the pre-world War one air I suppose it's

3378
02:21:21,350 --> 02:21:17,250
different now

3379
02:21:24,320 --> 02:21:21,360
it's there's a global financial system

3380
02:21:26,780 --> 02:21:24,330
of control that is the true power behind

3381
02:21:32,801 --> 02:21:26,790
almost any government that I can think

3382
02:21:36,440 --> 02:21:32,811
of and all I can do is again I infer

3383
02:21:37,940 --> 02:21:36,450
that based on the limited number of

3384
02:21:42,220 --> 02:21:37,950
studies that we have of black budget

3385
02:21:47,091 --> 02:21:42,230
America that that has become privatized

3386
02:21:48,890 --> 02:21:47,101
you know most the few actually detailed

3387
02:21:52,100 --> 02:21:48,900
public studies we have of the black

3388
02:21:54,291 --> 02:21:52,110
budget America have come to this

3389
02:21:56,150 --> 02:21:54,301
conclusion that it's essentially become

3390
02:21:57,680 --> 02:21:56,160
more privatized than anything else the

3391
02:22:00,860 --> 02:21:57,690
real power in other words not it's not

3392
02:22:03,921 --> 02:22:00,870
DoD but rather private money that is

3393
02:22:05,690 --> 02:22:03,931
behind it particularly in the special

3394
02:22:08,810 --> 02:22:05,700
access programs that is black budget

3395
02:22:10,730 --> 02:22:08,820
programs and if that is so then that

3396
02:22:13,730 --> 02:22:10,740
again points to the fact that we have

3397
02:22:15,621 --> 02:22:13,740
private money that really rules a day so

3398
02:22:19,450 --> 02:22:15,631
what do they do here's the system they

3399
02:22:22,341 --> 02:22:19,460
get their hooks into a u.s. black budget

3400
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:22,351
program that they get to run without

3401
02:22:26,621 --> 02:22:24,570
public oversight they get to use the US

3402
02:22:29,690 --> 02:22:26,631
military as their personal police force

3403
02:22:32,030 --> 02:22:29,700
that's a nice thing to have and they get

3404
02:22:33,501 --> 02:22:32,040
to do their research basically for free

3405
02:22:35,480 --> 02:22:33,511
on public tax dollars and whatever

3406
02:22:37,911 --> 02:22:35,490
whatever other financial dealings that

3407
02:22:40,700 --> 02:22:37,921
they're able to manage with no oversight

3408
02:22:42,801 --> 02:22:40,710
and total security and that that I think

3409
02:22:43,970 --> 02:22:42,811
is the structure of how UFO secrecy is

3410
02:22:47,270 --> 02:22:43,980
probably being done

3411
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:47,280
you've got programs that are beyond the

3412
02:22:50,780 --> 02:22:49,200
normal purview of an American President

3413
02:22:53,001 --> 02:22:50,790
or US Congress or anything like that US

3414
02:22:55,791 --> 02:22:53,011
President can't possibly have oversight

3415
02:22:57,200 --> 02:22:55,801
of these you think think about this you

3416
02:22:59,541 --> 02:22:57,210
have hundreds and probably maybe

3417
02:23:02,541 --> 02:22:59,551
thousands of these black budget programs

3418
02:23:04,461 --> 02:23:02,551
it is literally an impossibility for a

3419
02:23:07,610 --> 02:23:04,471
president to be on top of them all and

3420
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:07,620
it's also unwise he's got to have yes to

3421
02:23:12,081 --> 02:23:10,080
be able have deniability of things that

3422
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:12,091
are happening that are sensitive and all

3423
02:23:15,411 --> 02:23:13,290
it would be as a distraction if you

3424
02:23:16,940 --> 02:23:15,421
can't do anything about it anyway again

3425
02:23:18,440 --> 02:23:16,950
he's got to meet with the dignitaries

3426
02:23:22,610 --> 02:23:18,450
he's got to be at the public face it's

3427
02:23:24,770 --> 02:23:22,620
not his job to manage the massive

3428
02:23:27,140 --> 02:23:24,780
illegal abrin theand Byzantine structure

3429
02:23:28,881 --> 02:23:27,150
of the u.s. black budget system that's

3430
02:23:29,820 --> 02:23:28,891
for other people to manage that's not

3431
02:23:32,400 --> 02:23:29,830
for him to manage

3432
02:23:34,020 --> 02:23:32,410
especially since a lot of it is is like

3433
02:23:37,320 --> 02:23:34,030
you said held in the private sector

3434
02:23:39,420 --> 02:23:37,330
there really is no ability to over over

3435
02:23:42,059 --> 02:23:39,430
see that because it's exists within it

3436
02:23:45,750 --> 02:23:42,069
it's been a Friday corpus and you know

3437
02:23:47,250 --> 02:23:45,760
I'm Graham its proprietary and that's

3438
02:23:51,059 --> 02:23:47,260
the word I was looking for very good

3439
02:23:55,110 --> 02:23:51,069
this is brought this up this leads us to

3440
02:23:56,730 --> 02:23:55,120
another question from Jim eh and or

3441
02:23:59,490 --> 02:23:56,740
actually no this one is from techno mage

3442
02:24:01,290 --> 02:23:59,500
T so are we live I mean I or we pray I

3443
02:24:03,540 --> 02:24:01,300
don't know how this works are we live or

3444
02:24:05,309 --> 02:24:03,550
pre-recorded well I'm just reading

3445
02:24:06,780 --> 02:24:05,319
questions from the forum that have been

3446
02:24:10,889 --> 02:24:06,790
you know when we announced your show

3447
02:24:13,139 --> 02:24:10,899
then boom Wow well cool ok yeah before

3448
02:24:15,960 --> 02:24:13,149
Chris reads that question we'll hold it

3449
02:24:18,300 --> 02:24:15,970
off to our final segment Richard Dolan

3450
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3470
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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

3471
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3472
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because evil forces on our distant

3473
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planet are planning to conquer the earth

3474
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3476
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3480
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3481
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you tired of being afraid just to go to

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the mailbox if this describes you then

3483
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than 30 years in fact I wrote the book

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that made it possible to negotiate

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3501
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3502
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your tax nightmare behind you forever

3503
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3504
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3505
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we travel so much and having a fake TV

3506
02:26:47,850 --> 02:26:45,940
gives added peace of mind burglars look

3507
02:26:50,761 --> 02:26:47,860
for houses that appear to be easy

3508
02:26:52,890 --> 02:26:50,771
targets but fake TV can fool even

3509
02:26:59,671 --> 02:26:52,900
professional burglars into thinking

3510
02:27:01,861 --> 02:26:59,681
someone is home watching television TV

3511
02:27:03,541 --> 02:27:01,871
narrow window and know that passing

3512
02:27:05,701 --> 02:27:03,551
motorists and pedestrians will think

3513
02:27:08,791 --> 02:27:05,711
someone is not watching TV when I'm

3514
02:27:11,041 --> 02:27:08,801
actually away from home fake TV easily

3515
02:27:13,261 --> 02:27:11,051
plugs into any outlet just like a light

3516
02:27:15,180 --> 02:27:13,271
on a timer and they're so easy to use

3517
02:27:17,400 --> 02:27:15,190
you just plug them in and they're ready

3518
02:27:20,041 --> 02:27:17,410
to go plus they're so affordable then we

3519
02:27:23,281 --> 02:27:20,051
have one upstairs and downstairs fake TV

3520
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:23,291
is only 29.95 with free shipping order

3521
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your fake TV by calling eight seven

3522
02:27:31,951 --> 02:27:29,381
seven five fake TV or go to fake tv.com

3523
02:27:35,791 --> 02:27:31,961
that's eight seven seven five three two

3524
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five three eight eight or fake tv.com

3525
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fake TV the burglar deterrent hi my name

3526
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is Scott Fuchs teacher and Rowin coach

3527
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3528
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3529
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something fortunately I was referred to

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3532
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3534
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3546
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3551
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3552
02:28:47,969 --> 02:28:45,660
hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

3553
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:47,979
you're listening to the podcast the gold

3554
02:29:03,270 --> 02:28:50,640
standard a paranormal radio

3555
02:29:07,480 --> 02:29:05,710
with gene and Chris and the power cast

3556
02:29:09,640 --> 02:29:07,490
Richard Dolan joins us for this final

3557
02:29:11,980 --> 02:29:09,650
segment I can't believe it's the final

3558
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:11,990
segment I'm looking at the watch I'm

3559
02:29:16,120 --> 02:29:14,690
looking at the segment's okay we maybe

3560
02:29:18,430 --> 02:29:16,130
have time for one or two more questions

3561
02:29:20,920 --> 02:29:18,440
here Chris you were about to pose one

3562
02:29:23,801 --> 02:29:20,930
yeah this kind of ties in with what

3563
02:29:25,480 --> 02:29:23,811
Richard was just talking about and how

3564
02:29:27,580 --> 02:29:25,490
would you break down I'm gonna

3565
02:29:29,440 --> 02:29:27,590
paraphrase tech ooh mage tease question

3566
02:29:30,940 --> 02:29:29,450
a little bit here but basically what

3567
02:29:33,551 --> 02:29:30,950
he's asking is what are the most

3568
02:29:35,290 --> 02:29:33,561
effective means used by governments to

3569
02:29:37,660 --> 02:29:35,300
quell dissent and discussion of these

3570
02:29:39,700 --> 02:29:37,670
forbidden topics is it Intelligence

3571
02:29:43,091 --> 02:29:39,710
Agency collusion and control of the

3572
02:29:46,030 --> 02:29:43,101
media is it you know whitewash sort of

3573
02:29:47,650 --> 02:29:46,040
PR operations like project Bluebook how

3574
02:29:50,650 --> 02:29:47,660
do you break that apart and where do you

3575
02:29:53,051 --> 02:29:50,660
see the most effective use of this power

3576
02:29:56,740 --> 02:29:53,061
well I think you hit on media control as

3577
02:30:00,400 --> 02:29:56,750
his parent media and academic control

3578
02:30:02,440 --> 02:30:00,410
are absolutely critical and when you go

3579
02:30:04,450 --> 02:30:02,450
back through the history starting with

3580
02:30:07,420 --> 02:30:04,460
the 1940s this is really when our world

3581
02:30:09,330 --> 02:30:07,430
truly became fundamentally transformed

3582
02:30:12,761 --> 02:30:09,340
as a result of the Second World War

3583
02:30:16,600 --> 02:30:12,771
relation important relationships were

3584
02:30:20,530 --> 02:30:16,610
cemented between the CIA US intelligence

3585
02:30:24,670 --> 02:30:20,540
community and the major sources of media

3586
02:30:27,370 --> 02:30:24,680
New York Times Washington Post Reuters

3587
02:30:28,631 --> 02:30:27,380
and the wire services and CBS News and

3588
02:30:30,881 --> 02:30:28,641
all of that and we know this is true

3589
02:30:33,820 --> 02:30:30,891
this is not open for speculation or

3590
02:30:36,810 --> 02:30:33,830
debate we forget UFOs we know that this

3591
02:30:40,930 --> 02:30:36,820
is true that the CIA had intimate

3592
02:30:44,920 --> 02:30:40,940
ongoing relationships with all all all

3593
02:30:48,610 --> 02:30:44,930
of the u.s. major media sources and not

3594
02:30:52,091 --> 02:30:48,620
just us but globally now does that mean

3595
02:30:54,761 --> 02:30:52,101
that the CIA controlled all news no of

3596
02:30:57,370 --> 02:30:54,771
course it didn't um when you look at the

3597
02:31:00,131 --> 02:30:57,380
history of UFO reporting over the years

3598
02:31:01,540 --> 02:31:00,141
what you find is that local newspapers

3599
02:31:04,810 --> 02:31:01,550
particularly in the past

3600
02:31:07,841 --> 02:31:04,820
we're actually much more likely to

3601
02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:07,851
report about UFO and events than the

3602
02:31:13,060 --> 02:31:10,880
majors then The Times and the posts and

3603
02:31:14,950 --> 02:31:13,070
so forth and anytime that the New York

3604
02:31:15,410 --> 02:31:14,960
Times did touch on the topic it was it

3605
02:31:24,950 --> 02:31:15,420
is

3606
02:31:28,760 --> 02:31:24,960
accident if you are trying to manage

3607
02:31:31,969 --> 02:31:28,770
public opinion it's okay actually to let

3608
02:31:33,140 --> 02:31:31,979
the little people in on the fringes talk

3609
02:31:35,660 --> 02:31:33,150
about anything they want that's like a

3610
02:31:39,440 --> 02:31:35,670
safety valve but what you must not ever

3611
02:31:41,780 --> 02:31:39,450
do is allow your official sources of

3612
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:41,790
truth like the New York Times for

3613
02:31:46,760 --> 02:31:45,210
example they must never ever give this

3614
02:31:48,380 --> 02:31:46,770
credence and they never have it's the

3615
02:31:50,510 --> 02:31:48,390
same with the academic community how

3616
02:31:52,310 --> 02:31:50,520
hard do you really think it is to manage

3617
02:31:54,530 --> 02:31:52,320
the academic community easier than you

3618
02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:54,540
think we tend to think of the ivory

3619
02:31:58,700 --> 02:31:56,370
tower is a bastion of intellectual

3620
02:32:00,110 --> 02:31:58,710
freedom and professors have tenure and

3621
02:32:02,950 --> 02:32:00,120
they can do what they want it doesn't

3622
02:32:06,020 --> 02:32:02,960
work like that it doesn't work like that

3623
02:32:08,150 --> 02:32:06,030
what you have is just like within the

3624
02:32:10,490 --> 02:32:08,160
media if you have a few well-placed

3625
02:32:13,670 --> 02:32:10,500
people in the academic world who are

3626
02:32:16,250 --> 02:32:13,680
doing your work and this happens this is

3627
02:32:18,679 --> 02:32:16,260
the case they're like the sheepdogs that

3628
02:32:20,900 --> 02:32:18,689
keep the Sheep in place so you know

3629
02:32:22,940 --> 02:32:20,910
Derek back in the 1950s and 60s one of

3630
02:32:25,550 --> 02:32:22,950
the key guys in that regard was Donald

3631
02:32:27,500 --> 02:32:25,560
Menzel Harvard astronomer who was the

3632
02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:27,510
world's leading debunker on UFOs and who

3633
02:32:32,270 --> 02:32:30,210
we learned years after his death had a

3634
02:32:34,910 --> 02:32:32,280
very very prominent and intimate

3635
02:32:38,179 --> 02:32:34,920
relationship with the NSA we're eight

3636
02:32:39,980 --> 02:32:38,189
not even his wife knew about this he was

3637
02:32:42,100 --> 02:32:39,990
at he was not just an astronomer turns

3638
02:32:45,500 --> 02:32:42,110
out he was a leading cryptologist and

3639
02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:45,510
had great skills in that area and anyone

3640
02:32:50,090 --> 02:32:48,240
who would promote UFOs in the academic

3641
02:32:51,830 --> 02:32:50,100
world had to fear the wrath of Donald

3642
02:32:53,990 --> 02:32:51,840
Menzel who's gonna mug a Harvard

3643
02:32:56,960 --> 02:32:54,000
astronomer in some academic journal

3644
02:32:59,390 --> 02:32:56,970
answer basically no one and one guy who

3645
02:33:02,480 --> 02:32:59,400
tried to fight back James McDonald who

3646
02:33:06,410 --> 02:33:02,490
has easily Menzel's match and more ended

3647
02:33:08,929 --> 02:33:06,420
up having a tragic end to his life in

3648
02:33:12,770 --> 02:33:08,939
his early 50s you really think that was

3649
02:33:15,560 --> 02:33:12,780
caused by speaking up out of turn

3650
02:33:18,320 --> 02:33:15,570
well it certainly ruined his life you

3651
02:33:21,800 --> 02:33:18,330
know when when McDonald took on UFO

3652
02:33:24,469 --> 02:33:21,810
secrecy it destroyed his life he was

3653
02:33:26,840 --> 02:33:24,479
subject to character assassination again

3654
02:33:29,149 --> 02:33:26,850
again by people like Philip Glass we

3655
02:33:31,669 --> 02:33:29,159
know this and it really hurt

3656
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:31,679
McDonald professionally in his career

3657
02:33:37,039 --> 02:33:34,560
you know shortly before he died he he

3658
02:33:38,989 --> 02:33:37,049
was in Congress doing hearings on what

3659
02:33:40,699 --> 02:33:38,999
was known as the SST the supersonic

3660
02:33:42,260 --> 02:33:40,709
transport talking about I think

3661
02:33:43,159 --> 02:33:42,270
environmental issues concerning with

3662
02:33:46,819 --> 02:33:43,169
that because he was an atmospheric

3663
02:33:49,579 --> 02:33:46,829
physicist and he was humiliated because

3664
02:33:52,099 --> 02:33:49,589
kind of a chuckle went throughout the

3665
02:33:55,459 --> 02:33:52,109
hearings about him being this UFO guy

3666
02:33:59,300 --> 02:33:55,469
and they were again really it it it hurt

3667
02:34:02,499 --> 02:33:59,310
him so much whether he died of an actual

3668
02:34:04,609 --> 02:34:02,509
suicide or whether he was suicided

3669
02:34:07,569 --> 02:34:04,619
III don't know and I don't really have

3670
02:34:09,979 --> 02:34:07,579
this position I think in the past that I

3671
02:34:12,800 --> 02:34:09,989
believed he was probably bumped off and

3672
02:34:14,809 --> 02:34:12,810
who knows all I'm saying is that back to

3673
02:34:17,929 --> 02:34:14,819
the whole academic control thing it's

3674
02:34:20,059 --> 02:34:17,939
very difficult to fight that entrenched

3675
02:34:21,849 --> 02:34:20,069
system you have some you know just

3676
02:34:26,840 --> 02:34:21,859
imagine some community college professor

3677
02:34:28,010 --> 02:34:26,850
wants to write a book about UFOs well do

3678
02:34:30,229 --> 02:34:28,020
you have to worry about the big dogs

3679
02:34:31,880 --> 02:34:30,239
going after him wouldn't he yes he would

3680
02:34:35,029 --> 02:34:31,890
and most people don't have the stomach

3681
02:34:37,340 --> 02:34:35,039
for that kind of a fight I've talked to

3682
02:34:41,889 --> 02:34:37,350
many academics both active and retired

3683
02:34:45,199 --> 02:34:41,899
and the ones who are active are in

3684
02:34:46,699 --> 02:34:45,209
mortal terror of this field more than

3685
02:34:48,380 --> 02:34:46,709
terror because I know it's a career

3686
02:34:50,649 --> 02:34:48,390
killer the ones who retire they don't

3687
02:34:52,760 --> 02:34:50,659
care as much and they're more willing to

3688
02:34:55,309 --> 02:34:52,770
come out and chat with me about it and

3689
02:34:57,229 --> 02:34:55,319
all of that so I think there's a system

3690
02:34:59,269 --> 02:34:57,239
of media control I think there's a

3691
02:35:00,849 --> 02:34:59,279
system of academic control and also

3692
02:35:04,429 --> 02:35:00,859
scientific let's not forget this

3693
02:35:06,649 --> 02:35:04,439
scientific community requires funding to

3694
02:35:09,079 --> 02:35:06,659
do anything and if this is a topic that

3695
02:35:10,760 --> 02:35:09,089
is classified guess what there won't be

3696
02:35:13,429 --> 02:35:10,770
public funding coming forth with it

3697
02:35:14,209 --> 02:35:13,439
so there's no public funding for the UFO

3698
02:35:16,419 --> 02:35:14,219
phenomenon

3699
02:35:18,289 --> 02:35:16,429
I'm sure there's funding in the

3700
02:35:20,569 --> 02:35:18,299
classified domain for that but that

3701
02:35:23,029 --> 02:35:20,579
doesn't come out so if you control the

3702
02:35:24,800 --> 02:35:23,039
media by and large if you control the

3703
02:35:26,239 --> 02:35:24,810
academic community again by and large

3704
02:35:29,119 --> 02:35:26,249
and the scientific community you've gone

3705
02:35:31,269 --> 02:35:29,129
that's the bulk of it right there then

3706
02:35:33,590 --> 02:35:31,279
you can let you can let the great masses

3707
02:35:35,989 --> 02:35:33,600
talk about what they want on a History

3708
02:35:37,310 --> 02:35:35,999
Channel and on cable networks it doesn't

3709
02:35:40,251 --> 02:35:37,320
matter

3710
02:35:42,020 --> 02:35:40,261
because that's all goofy entertainment

3711
02:35:46,310 --> 02:35:42,030
and then of course you get the Hollywood

3712
02:35:49,490 --> 02:35:46,320
connection which is real in which you

3713
02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:49,500
have CIA / Hollywood connections and we

3714
02:35:55,011 --> 02:35:51,690
know this is Kate the case now we had um

3715
02:35:56,450 --> 02:35:55,021
a guy who is a was a real CIA officer

3716
02:35:58,131 --> 02:35:56,460
chase Brandon and came out about a year

3717
02:36:01,070 --> 02:35:58,141
ago and said point blank

3718
02:36:03,381 --> 02:36:01,080
he was the CIA's liaison to Hollywood

3719
02:36:04,070 --> 02:36:03,391
and he was the real thing he wasn't

3720
02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:04,080
making that up

3721
02:36:08,990 --> 02:36:06,000
so there are these relationships in

3722
02:36:11,301 --> 02:36:09,000
place to manage public opinion but

3723
02:36:13,970 --> 02:36:11,311
here's the thing they could only go so

3724
02:36:17,091 --> 02:36:13,980
far what's happened in the age of the

3725
02:36:20,001 --> 02:36:17,101
web the age of the Internet is what was

3726
02:36:24,440 --> 02:36:20,011
the one unforeseen thing which was that

3727
02:36:26,631 --> 02:36:24,450
the global public still has a tremendous

3728
02:36:27,740 --> 02:36:26,641
hunger for information on this because

3729
02:36:30,110 --> 02:36:27,750
somehow even though they don't have the

3730
02:36:33,140 --> 02:36:30,120
education they know there's something

3731
02:36:35,180 --> 02:36:33,150
there's something wrong with the reality

3732
02:36:36,711 --> 02:36:35,190
as being presented to them they sense

3733
02:36:38,690 --> 02:36:36,721
that they feel it in their bones maybe

3734
02:36:40,430 --> 02:36:38,700
maybe that's what it is but there's a

3735
02:36:42,650 --> 02:36:40,440
hunger for this and I see it every day

3736
02:36:44,631 --> 02:36:42,660
when I talk to a new person about this

3737
02:36:46,131 --> 02:36:44,641
topic and I see the little light bulb

3738
02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:46,141
going on over the head after they talk

3739
02:36:50,180 --> 02:36:48,570
to me for five minutes it's like they've

3740
02:36:52,850 --> 02:36:50,190
gone through their life not realizing

3741
02:36:57,430 --> 02:36:52,860
that wow this is a fascinating topic and

3742
02:36:59,930 --> 02:36:57,440
so once people are exposed to this topic

3743
02:37:04,671 --> 02:36:59,940
they very frequently want to know more

3744
02:37:06,801 --> 02:37:04,681
and that's what these controllers have

3745
02:37:08,330 --> 02:37:06,811
to deal with and they're and they are

3746
02:37:09,591 --> 02:37:08,340
very good at what they do they they're

3747
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:09,601
very good at spin they're very good at

3748
02:37:14,180 --> 02:37:11,130
entertainment a very good at distraction

3749
02:37:16,070 --> 02:37:14,190
- very good at denial and dismissal and

3750
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:16,080
control over media but it's not complete

3751
02:37:20,631 --> 02:37:18,570
and again we're in a fluid situation

3752
02:37:23,360 --> 02:37:20,641
where I think a lot of things can change

3753
02:37:25,610 --> 02:37:23,370
in the next generation and whether

3754
02:37:27,501 --> 02:37:25,620
whether it'll change toward more

3755
02:37:29,511 --> 02:37:27,511
openness or not I don't know but I think

3756
02:37:31,211 --> 02:37:29,521
it's all things are possible

3757
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:31,221
you know what's possible right now

3758
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:33,690
possible to ask Richard Owen where can

3759
02:37:38,390 --> 02:37:35,610
we find more of the stuff that you do

3760
02:37:40,310 --> 02:37:38,400
yeah go to Richard Olin press com that's

3761
02:37:44,360 --> 02:37:40,320
my main web presence

3762
02:37:47,001 --> 02:37:44,370
it's a page I updated sporadically

3763
02:37:48,171 --> 02:37:47,011
furtively and I haven't updated it in a

3764
02:37:49,640 --> 02:37:48,181
little while but it's going to be going

3765
02:37:50,040 --> 02:37:49,650
through a lot of updates in the very

3766
02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:50,050
near

3767
02:37:54,929 --> 02:37:52,240
you cheer I would say it has a lot of

3768
02:37:57,990 --> 02:37:54,939
things on on me on a lot of articles and

3769
02:37:59,820 --> 02:37:58,000
books that have written over there also

3770
02:38:02,550 --> 02:37:59,830
it's got a place for other authors whose

3771
02:38:03,809 --> 02:38:02,560
work I have been publishing and you can

3772
02:38:05,450 --> 02:38:03,819
read up on them there's a lot of

3773
02:38:08,340 --> 02:38:05,460
fascinating people in there

3774
02:38:10,260 --> 02:38:08,350
some people know me on Facebook I'm very

3775
02:38:11,700 --> 02:38:10,270
active on Facebook I'm pretty much maxed

3776
02:38:13,740 --> 02:38:11,710
out with my personal friends but I have

3777
02:38:15,690 --> 02:38:13,750
a public page so I'm out there I'm very

3778
02:38:17,880 --> 02:38:15,700
easy to reach but Richard Dolan press

3779
02:38:19,650 --> 02:38:17,890
comm is probably the best way of course

3780
02:38:21,420 --> 02:38:19,660
our own Chris O'Brien is finishing up

3781
02:38:24,270 --> 02:38:21,430
stalking the herd for adventurers

3782
02:38:28,320 --> 02:38:24,280
Unlimited press his site is our strange

3783
02:38:30,300 --> 02:38:28,330
planet calm our strange planet calm you

3784
02:38:33,030 --> 02:38:30,310
can find us on Twitter we're known as

3785
02:38:36,510 --> 02:38:33,040
the power cast there are in fact two

3786
02:38:38,670 --> 02:38:36,520
power cast fan clubs on Facebook we'll

3787
02:38:40,559 --> 02:38:38,680
figure that out eventually or just check

3788
02:38:43,110 --> 02:38:40,569
the power cast not come for everything

3789
02:38:44,730 --> 02:38:43,120
that we do rich dull and thanks for

3790
02:38:54,791 --> 02:38:44,740
joining us this week on the power cast

3791
02:39:01,001 --> 02:38:58,091
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3792
02:39:03,991 --> 02:39:01,011
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3793
02:39:07,720 --> 02:39:04,001
presentation of making the impossible